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House of Lords
Monday, 19th February 1996.
The House met at half-past two of the clock: The LORD CHANCELLOR on the Woolsack.
Prayers--Read by the Lord Bishop of Chester.
Sir Leon Brittan: The Times Article
Lord Bruce of Donington asked Her Majesty's Government:
Whether, in the light of an article by Sir Leon Brittan, a European Commissioner, in The Times of 7th February, headed "Rifkind should beware", in which demands are made for them to behave in a specific manner within the ambit of British political controversy, they propose to make any rejoinder.
The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department of National Heritage (Lord Inglewood): My Lords, no.
Lord Bruce of Donington: My Lords, is the noble Lord aware that in that article Sir Leon Brittan is presuming to criticise a Minister of the Government and to tell him what line he ought or ought not to take in a matter which is subject to British political controversy? Does the Minister believe that that is appropriate or does he wish to minimise his sense of solidarity with his colleague in the Foreign Office?
Lord Inglewood: My Lords, if Sir Leon Brittan criticised my right honourable friend the Foreign Secretary, the criticism is not to be found in the article of 7th February this year, which succinctly lays out a case close to the British Government's approach to these matters and is very much supportive of it.
Lord Peyton of Yeovil: My Lords, does not my noble friend agree that the supplementary which came from the noble Lord, Lord Bruce of Donington, was of extremely liberal construction, even in these days when such things are popular?
Lord Inglewood: My Lords, my noble friend is absolutely right. It was so liberal that it appears to have no basis in the document from which it is alleged to be derived.
Lord Bruce of Donington: My Lords, is the noble Lord aware that the article to which I referred, under the authorship of Sir Leon Brittan, says,
"Don't pander to the sceptics".?
It continues,
"This Government must show that such fears are unfounded, and must highlight the benefits of EU membership. It has chosen to do so in its reaction to the new era in Euro-American relations, and wisely so. It must apply the same approach elsewhere".
Since when has any government in the United Kingdom been responsible to a Eurocrat for the line they take in regard to their policies? Would it not be better
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if the Eurocrats kept themselves within their own business and for once criticised the Government of Germany for being well behind in their legislation dealing with the single market?
Lord Inglewood: My Lords, the remarks by Sir Leon Brittan quoted by the noble Lord, Lord Bruce, from the article in The Times underscore precisely the Government's policy in this respect. In speaking of the attitude to the European Union, Sir Leon Brittan says,
"It must apply the same approach elsewhere, weighing up every issue in the balance of British interests".
That is the Government's policy. We believe it to be the right policy for this country and intend to continue in that respect.
Lord Campbell of Alloway: My Lords, does my noble friend agree that on this exceptional occasion the noble Lord, Lord Bruce, has gone right over the top? Anybody is free to criticise or support this Government as they wish.
Lord Inglewood: My Lords, my noble friend is absolutely right. Whether or not the Government would normally use the words "over the top" to describe the noble Lord, Lord Bruce, they are appropriate in these circumstances.
Lord Harris of Greenwich: My Lords, perhaps I may squeeze in a word on this occasion. Is the noble Lord, Lord Inglewood, aware that many of us believe that freedom of speech should be applied even in the case of Sir Leon Brittan?
Lord Inglewood: My Lords, I am most reassured.
Lord Jenkins of Putney: My Lords, I believe I heard the noble Lord refer to this matter as one of government policy. Can he say whether there are any guidelines in connection with it?
Lord Inglewood: My Lords, this is long-established policy. In respect of the European Union, this Government approach issues on their merits, putting in the balance whether or not the policies, whichever way they go, are in the best interests of the people.
Lord Ezra: My Lords, will the Minister please note that we on these Benches object to the use of the word "liberal" in connection with the question of the noble Lord, Lord Bruce, particularly bearing in mind that our stand in relation to the European Union is rather different from his?
Lord Inglewood: My Lords, I find the remarks of the noble Lord, Lord Ezra, most helpful. However, I am reluctant to enter into an inter-Opposition dispute on the matter.
Lord Pearson of Rannoch: My Lords, can my noble friend tell the House how a member of the European Commission who is also a Privy Counsellor reconciles his oath as a Privy Counsellor and that which he takes
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as a European Commissioner when the subject under consideration is in conflict with one of the two positions?
Lord Inglewood: My Lords, there is no conflict, as was clear from the extracts I read out to your Lordships.
Lord Stoddart of Swindon: My Lords, is the noble Lord aware that, far from going over the top as was suggested by his noble friend Lord Campbell of Alloway, my noble friend was entirely reasonable? Indeed, I think he was uncharacteristically mild. Does he not agree that there is an increasing tendency for members of the European Commission to act, behave and speak as if they were the European Government? Perhaps it is about time that the British Government, who consist of elected people, told the European Commission to keep in its place.
Lord Inglewood: My Lords, the European Commission is not now, never has been, and never will be, if this party has anything to do with it, a European Government. With regard to the other part of the noble Lord's question, I suspect that the noble Lord was being as reasonable as he was previously liberal.
Lord Richard: My Lords, is the noble Lord aware that my noble friend Lord Bruce of Donington is always uncharacteristically mild--thank heavens? Is he further aware that my noble friend has a very basic view, which is that British Commissioners should not criticise British politics but that British Commissioners should criticise the politics of every other member of the EU?
Lord Inglewood: My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for explaining the position so succinctly.
Lord Bruce of Donington: My Lords, is the noble Lord aware that that is not my position at all? Is he further aware that on the question of free speech, which was raised by the noble Lord, Lord Harris of Greenwich, when I ventured to criticise M. Jacques Delors for criticising the British Prime Minister at that time, he retorted to me, "Well, it's a free country, isn't it?"?
Lord Inglewood: My Lords, it is not for me to come between the Leader of the Opposition and one of his battalions.
Secure Training Centres
2.46 p.m.
Lord Allen of Abbeydale asked Her Majesty's Government:
What is the present state of the programme for providing five secure training centres under the provisions of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994.
The Minister of State, Home Office (Baroness Blatch): My Lords, tender proposals for the first two secure training centres were received on 12th June 1995. Contracts will be signed as soon as the terms of the
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contractual agreement have been settled. An invitation to negotiate in respect of a third site will be issued shortly, and for the other two sites once outline planning permission is obtained.
Lord Allen of Abbeydale: My Lords, I am much obliged for the information given in that reply. However, since I remain opposed to the concept of these penal-type institutions for 12 to 14 year-olds, I feel that it does not fall to me to express disappointment at what seems to be a rather slow and patchy progress. But some important issues are raised. If just one centre is working or a second centre starts working a little later, as appears to be the case, what will the catchment area be? Will some of these children find themselves detained hundreds of miles away from their families, with all the difficulties of visiting, and hundreds of miles away from the professionals who will be concerned with that part of the sentence which is to be served under supervision in the community? Are there not real difficulties ahead?
Baroness Blatch: My Lords, the noble Lord is right that there are two issues here. One is the policy, to which, as we all know, the noble Lord is opposed; the second is the progress that is being made. As to the specific answer to the question posed about implementation of the policy, that will be a matter for the terms of the secure training order when it is put into place. Therefore, I cannot give an answer except to say that there will be 12 to 14 year-olds who are persistent offenders for whom this sentence will be appropriate.
Wednesday, 25 September 2013
TRUE LOVE
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
JOHN 3 VERSE 16
God didn't have to do that for us. He didn't have to do anything for us, after our race rejected him and decided to follow Lucifer.
God CLEARLY told Adam and Eve that if they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil - the forbidden fruit - that they would surely die.
Adam and Eve didn't have to eat that fruit. It wasn't an apple - people keep saying it was an apple - it wasn't an apple, apples weren't forbidden fruit. It wasn't a mango, it wasn't a fig, it wasn't a tomato, it wasn't a melon, it wasn't a banana. It was the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. All the other fruits and more were food for Adam and Eve.
The nearest people can get to to that paradise nowadays is when they (if they can afford it) go to a tropical rain forest holiday. Warm weather, beauty surrounding you everywhere, food in abundance to just pick off the trees. Funny how mankind is wrecking even the last traces of the nearest you can get to earthly paradise, no-one can blame God for that, when everyone can clearly see its humans doing it.
God made this planet for us to live in - he planned it very carefully. He made the atmosphere, the landscape, the plants and animals and last of all, the people. He made it just the way he wanted it. I don't really know why he made it, or us. He made it just because he wanted to, same as I made a nice bag for my pencils last week, because I wanted to. God can do anything he likes, because he is God.
I think God is a magician. He can say "Let there be light" and light appears.
Lucifer isn't a magician. He pretends to be one, but his power is limited. His power has to come through human beings enslaved to him. Not like God. There isn't any real magic in the devil, he's just an obnoxious bully who has to get weak human beings - flesh and blood - to do his running around for him.
God is the Creator. The devil is the Wrecker.
God loves us and died for us, to save us from destruction. The devil hates us and has always been jealous of us, since Adam and Eve were created, after he rebelled against God.
JOHN 3 VERSE 16
God didn't have to do that for us. He didn't have to do anything for us, after our race rejected him and decided to follow Lucifer.
God CLEARLY told Adam and Eve that if they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil - the forbidden fruit - that they would surely die.
Adam and Eve didn't have to eat that fruit. It wasn't an apple - people keep saying it was an apple - it wasn't an apple, apples weren't forbidden fruit. It wasn't a mango, it wasn't a fig, it wasn't a tomato, it wasn't a melon, it wasn't a banana. It was the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. All the other fruits and more were food for Adam and Eve.
The nearest people can get to to that paradise nowadays is when they (if they can afford it) go to a tropical rain forest holiday. Warm weather, beauty surrounding you everywhere, food in abundance to just pick off the trees. Funny how mankind is wrecking even the last traces of the nearest you can get to earthly paradise, no-one can blame God for that, when everyone can clearly see its humans doing it.
God made this planet for us to live in - he planned it very carefully. He made the atmosphere, the landscape, the plants and animals and last of all, the people. He made it just the way he wanted it. I don't really know why he made it, or us. He made it just because he wanted to, same as I made a nice bag for my pencils last week, because I wanted to. God can do anything he likes, because he is God.
I think God is a magician. He can say "Let there be light" and light appears.
Lucifer isn't a magician. He pretends to be one, but his power is limited. His power has to come through human beings enslaved to him. Not like God. There isn't any real magic in the devil, he's just an obnoxious bully who has to get weak human beings - flesh and blood - to do his running around for him.
God is the Creator. The devil is the Wrecker.
God loves us and died for us, to save us from destruction. The devil hates us and has always been jealous of us, since Adam and Eve were created, after he rebelled against God.
Tuesday, 24 September 2013
THE BOYCHAT BLOGGERS ARE TALKING ABOUT GOD
Wouldn't the lack of certainty make them agnostic? The atheists i knew, almost all of them, said there was no god. They didn't say they did not believe in god, they said there is no god, as fact, like they had discovered it to be true.
Maybe it is less about testing you for results and more about seeing you grow as a person, see you develop and learn things for yourself. Also people helping each other out builds bonds between each other, maybe he wants us not only to be evolved but also to come to create bonds of fellowship, and choose who you want as companions. All just theories, but they seem to make sense to me.
If I was a terrible person I think that god should find a way to fix me, find a way to teach me the right ways to live. One of the many things i disagree with that is in the bible is god throwing people into a fiery pit of hell for all eternity, if there was a hell it would not be a place of eternal torture, it would be a temporary place of learning, to give people another chance. Why would god create men and than throw away some of them into a pit of fire, that is wasteful, and why create them to begin with if he knows that they will end up wasted anyways? I have more questions about god than answers, and i know that i disagree with much of the bible, but i still believe he more possible than impossible.
http://www.boychat.org/messages/1360780.htm
That was written on a pro-paedophile blog called Boychat by a poster who calls himself Sir Sympathy. It's very clear to me that this person has not read the Bible properly, and does not understand what the Bible says concerning healing forgiveness redemption and eternal damnation. I will try to explain.
The Lord God made this planet, along with everything else, the whole universe, all the stars and everything in space. He made all the animals and plants, and he made man in his own image, and a wife for that man to love and cherish, Adam and Eve. But Eve listened to lies about God, was tempted to take what did not belong to her, tempted her own husband and they were decieved. They lost their innocence that day - they hurt God. They did a selfish thing to the one who had given them so much. I don't know if they fully realised what they did.
God was friends with his creation. He walked and talked with him in the evening. How can you be friends with someone who has listened to lies about you, lies that encourage you to steal from you?
People talk about an apple, it wasn't an apple they stole at all, it was the fruit of the knowledge of Good and Evil. The devil told them they would not die if they stole it - that was a lie - they died the second they bit into it! They were tempted to steal it to be like God - THEY ALREADY WERE LIKE GOD - MADE IN HIS IMAGE!
They were made in Gods image, but they were tempted into wanting more - they were tempted to actually be God. They were like a little boy and a little girl, getting into their parents wardrobe, taking Dads credit card to spend on sweets, putting on Mums high heeled shoes and lipstick. They took what had been forbidden - with good reason - to them.
God talked with man in the evening. God was sharing his knowledge already! They didn't have to steal it!
The devil hates God. He brought mankind into his own argument with God. Satan was the brightest angel of all, but he wanted Gods worship, he wasn't content with being a creation. Satan has done everything he can to bring the whole of mankind into rebellion against God. Look at it, what the world has become.
"If I was a terrible person I think that god should find a way to fix me, find a way to teach me the right ways to live."
The Lord Jesus Christ died for all of us, so we could be redeemed. That even includes repentant paedophiles.
"One of the many things i disagree with that is in the bible is god throwing people into a fiery pit of hell for all eternity"
Sir Sympathy is right on this point. God won't throw anyone into a fiery pit of hell. We are all already standing on the fiery pit of hell - it's just that the funeral pyre isn't lit just yet. This earth is going to become that fiery inescapable pit of hell. We Christians aren't waiting for Jesus to come back to wreak vengeance on those who persecute us at all - He's coming to take us away from the terrible end!
It's very important to read the Bible properly, with a humble heart open to the Word of God. You can make a lot of mistakes understanding it if you don't do that.
Maybe it is less about testing you for results and more about seeing you grow as a person, see you develop and learn things for yourself. Also people helping each other out builds bonds between each other, maybe he wants us not only to be evolved but also to come to create bonds of fellowship, and choose who you want as companions. All just theories, but they seem to make sense to me.
If I was a terrible person I think that god should find a way to fix me, find a way to teach me the right ways to live. One of the many things i disagree with that is in the bible is god throwing people into a fiery pit of hell for all eternity, if there was a hell it would not be a place of eternal torture, it would be a temporary place of learning, to give people another chance. Why would god create men and than throw away some of them into a pit of fire, that is wasteful, and why create them to begin with if he knows that they will end up wasted anyways? I have more questions about god than answers, and i know that i disagree with much of the bible, but i still believe he more possible than impossible.
http://www.boychat.org/messages/1360780.htm
That was written on a pro-paedophile blog called Boychat by a poster who calls himself Sir Sympathy. It's very clear to me that this person has not read the Bible properly, and does not understand what the Bible says concerning healing forgiveness redemption and eternal damnation. I will try to explain.
The Lord God made this planet, along with everything else, the whole universe, all the stars and everything in space. He made all the animals and plants, and he made man in his own image, and a wife for that man to love and cherish, Adam and Eve. But Eve listened to lies about God, was tempted to take what did not belong to her, tempted her own husband and they were decieved. They lost their innocence that day - they hurt God. They did a selfish thing to the one who had given them so much. I don't know if they fully realised what they did.
God was friends with his creation. He walked and talked with him in the evening. How can you be friends with someone who has listened to lies about you, lies that encourage you to steal from you?
People talk about an apple, it wasn't an apple they stole at all, it was the fruit of the knowledge of Good and Evil. The devil told them they would not die if they stole it - that was a lie - they died the second they bit into it! They were tempted to steal it to be like God - THEY ALREADY WERE LIKE GOD - MADE IN HIS IMAGE!
They were made in Gods image, but they were tempted into wanting more - they were tempted to actually be God. They were like a little boy and a little girl, getting into their parents wardrobe, taking Dads credit card to spend on sweets, putting on Mums high heeled shoes and lipstick. They took what had been forbidden - with good reason - to them.
God talked with man in the evening. God was sharing his knowledge already! They didn't have to steal it!
The devil hates God. He brought mankind into his own argument with God. Satan was the brightest angel of all, but he wanted Gods worship, he wasn't content with being a creation. Satan has done everything he can to bring the whole of mankind into rebellion against God. Look at it, what the world has become.
"If I was a terrible person I think that god should find a way to fix me, find a way to teach me the right ways to live."
The Lord Jesus Christ died for all of us, so we could be redeemed. That even includes repentant paedophiles.
"One of the many things i disagree with that is in the bible is god throwing people into a fiery pit of hell for all eternity"
Sir Sympathy is right on this point. God won't throw anyone into a fiery pit of hell. We are all already standing on the fiery pit of hell - it's just that the funeral pyre isn't lit just yet. This earth is going to become that fiery inescapable pit of hell. We Christians aren't waiting for Jesus to come back to wreak vengeance on those who persecute us at all - He's coming to take us away from the terrible end!
It's very important to read the Bible properly, with a humble heart open to the Word of God. You can make a lot of mistakes understanding it if you don't do that.
Monday, 23 September 2013
WHY HAVE STAFFORD POLICE AND SOCIAL SERVICES COVERED THIS UP AND LET THE VICTIMS OF THESE CRIMES BE PERSECUTED AND REABUSED?
You'll have to start at the bottom and work your way up to read them in page order. Stafford County Council has taken this Government report out of the public libraries and are denying child abuse survivors the opportunity of reading it, Stafford Police are fully aware of this and have done nothing to help the victims. Ludwig Lowenstein was involved in this Pindown report, and he is the same man involved in the Secret Family Court cover up, and his childrens home was investigated by Hampshire Social Services and found that he had employed paedophiles to look after the children there.
Thursday, 19 September 2013
FEELING ILL AGAIN
I'm only posting this so that people wont worry.
It gets too much for me, and I have to just do nice things, the horrible stuff is affecting me too much.
I'm not a leader, I'm just a re-abused victim of Pindown child abuse, and I'm sorry if anyone thinks I am pathetic for being frail, but I just can't help it.
I just discovered Boywiki and reading the posts on it makes me feel sick and angry. They are making themselves out to be victims on that site, here are some of the postings on that site. How the heck are they getting away with this, its just so awful.
I really cant do this any more, I am so exhausted.
I posted about this on The Needle website, since I posted (anout 25 minuites ago) someone has done something barring me access to the threads.
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Posted by Sir Sympathy on 2013-September-19 03:16:43, Thursday
In reply to Beautiful Young Boys posted by Amedeo on 2013-September-18 20:36:01, Wednesday
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Nobody will ever quite understand the pain that we feel... seeing and longing for something we love but cannot have... and if we reach for it... we are accused of being sadistic monsters who only want to hurt kids. It will not last forever. Things will change.
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Posted by Warrior Star on 2013-September-19 02:31:50, Thursday
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Some members here play a sick neurotic game of complaining about the arrests for KP and other persecutions our community suffers, but they refuse to lift a finger to do anything about it.
If you have a problem, the healthy response is to take action to solve it. we have the most serious problem any human beings have ever had to face.
Instead attacking their enemies, they attack people here trying to solve the problem.
One of the reasons is that many of them are not outed and think that if they live like mice, they will not be outed and they will survive. That is like playing a game of Russian roulette.
If you want to live like a mouse, get a set of nuclear dentures.
If you have a problem, not taking action to solve it is dysfunctional. No matter how loud and nasty they shout, never take advice from a fool.
There are many many things we can do to improve our situation and that of our societies. They are safe, legal, anonymous. Outcast groups have devised ways to not just survive but prosper for thousands of years.
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Shrinks surgically planting a bombs in patients
Posted by Hierophant3 on 2013-September-19 00:53:22, Thursday
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What shrinks do to those caught with child porn or caught engaging in pleasurable activities with a child is like surgically planting a bomb in their patients. Shrinks know how to misuse their healing art to inflict pain and they do just that.
What shrinks do to children who where caught engaging in pleasurable activities with an adult is almost as bad as surgically planting a bomb in their patients.
Then again shrinks have a long history of abuse. Shrinks have abused gays and lesbians. Shrinks abuse kids who suffer from school is boring syndrome by prescribing them dangerous stimulants. Shrinks have zapped people into vegetables and physically scrambled their patients brains.
The shrink industry hasn't paid out much money in damages for all the misery it has inflicted on its patients. Maybe it is about time they started.
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A Day with the Little Guy
Posted by Bradford on 2013-September-17 21:14:00, Tuesday
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I recently had a really nice day with the little guy that I wanted to share. I like to share these moments here from time to time because I can do so without much refrain from my true feelings that I sometimes have to keep private for one reason or another. That's life as I know it so it's nice to have this little digital outlet where I can do so freely, for the most part.
The little guy's parents wanted to spend the day in the city, so being the "honorable uncle" they asked me to look after him while they were gone, a task that I seldom object to. Time spent with the little guy is time not worrying about everything else going on in life and in work. It's a time when I can be a kid again and do things that I can only do while in the company of a little guy. It allows me to be around other little guys, and it's a time that evokes nostalgia and brings a non-stop grin to my face.
Like my relationship with his father, my relationship with the little guy involves very little gabbing and a lot of doing. So I packed his little battery powered truck in my vehicle and we were off.
Some of you may recall the last time I posted here when I wrote about a bad tumble I took playing a sport in the rain. It was incredibly painful. I ended up in the emergency room and underwent several physical therapy sessions to help regain my strength. I'm happy to report that I'm healing well, however I'm still not 100% but I'm close. I felt a little sad when he'd run up to me with his arms up in the air demanding to be flown around like an airplane, something that I always did at least once when I visited before my injuries. The first few times I'd have to explain to him that it would be a few weeks before we could fly together so I thought I'd make it up to him another way. He'd never seen an airplane up close and personal before, so we drove to the local municipal airport where I let him run free and touch all of the airplanes. He yelled "WOAH! COOL," when he saw the first of the Pipers and Cessna's near the entrance gate. He was in heaven. I found a small step stool that he could climb up so that he could look into the cockpits, and he kept saying, "Let's fly this one. Let's fly this one. No no, let's fly that one."
"Maybe one day soon buddy," I told him. There's an idea. It's not a very large airport so we only had the privilege of seeing one plane land while we were there. He probably would've ran right into the taxiway if I didn't hold him back. After the plane parked on the grass the little guy ran up to the pilot and asked if he could take us up. I didn't say anything because I wanted to do the same thing! The pilot smiled at me and told him, "Sorry buddy but I have to get home for dinner. Maybe another day." We were both disappointed but I said, "That's OK, we were just going to the farm to check out the animals, weren't we?" The little guy looked up at me with a huge smile on his face, then looked at the pilot and said "thanks anyway," and ran to my vehicle.
When we pulled up to the farm, the first things that caught his eye were the tractors. There was a Catapillar, a Kabuter, and a Case that he fell in love with. He was more fascinated by the heavy machinery than he was the ducks, pigs, mules, goats and sheep. We had a good laugh at the pigs though because... they were pigs. We fed them apples, corn, and the little guy threw in a pretzel while I wasn't looking. The pigs happily devoured everything. I vividly remember going to this farm when I was his age. I wondered if some of the animals were the same animals, and if they remembered me; if they knew how different I am now, and how I'm still the same.
When we exhausted that farm I asked him if he wanted to go to the orchard to pick apples and pumpkins. "YEAH! Let's GO!" Long story short, his parents now have two bundles of apples and 3 different sized pumpkins to eat/decorate.
"What now," he asked me. This boy is non stop. The only time he's not moving is when he's in front of a television or asleep. Absolutely non stop, it's amazing the energy he has. "Well, how about we go to the park?"
10 minutes later we were at the park that my dad used to take me when I was the little guy's age. I did with him what my dad used to do with me. We'd race to the swings and I let him win. Once we got to the swings, I'd say nearly the same thing that I remember my dad saying to me, "Uncle Bradford's going to the glue factory!" I never understood what that meant then, as I'm sure the little guy has no idea either. He'll get it one day. While we were there the ice cream truck came and per his request I bought him a vanilla cone with chocolate sprinkles. We both shared that and a choco-taco, something I used to love when I was his age. A funny thought entered my mind while talking to the ice cream truck guy - I wondered if he was a Boychat visitor! It wouldn't be that far-fetched.
Both of us were still hungry so we went to "Timmy's" Pizza Shop on our way home. We had a few laughs over a few slices during our attempts at impressions of Nickelodeon characters.
On the way back to his house we drove past my old elementary school. The sun was still a few hours from setting and nobody was there so I decided to pull in. I haven't been to that elementary school since I was in elementary school, and MY GOD was it nostalgic. The same swings were there, the same see-saws were there, the same slides, the kickball field, the basketball hoop by the gym, almost everything was exactly as I remembered, only a lot smaller.
Even with my injury I was able to climb the slide. This was a serious slide. They don't make them like this anymore - all metal, maybe 20 feet high and none of that soft plushy stuff around it. If you fell, you were gonna get hurt. The little guy loved it. So did I.
I had to peek into my old K - 3 windows. It was a bittersweet feeling. Part of me felt accomplished over my achievements since then, part of me felt sad. I'm not sure why. Maybe it was because I miss the simplicity and innocence of the "good old days"? Maybe it was because of the memories evoked of friends who I've since lost touch with or who have since passed on? Maybe it was a little bit of everything. I don't know. I remembered the time my friends and I got into snowball fights by an old creek bridge. I remembered my first crush, twin boys who were in second grade while I was in third. I never said anything to anyone about that. I didn't even know what I was feeling, really. I remembered the first time I kissed a girl by the cafeteria entrance after the lunch monitor blew the whistle. She was my first girlfriend. Despite my deep feelings for most boys I've come to know, and attraction to older pre-teen boys, I've always dated girls. I think part of my sadness stems from this too, but it wasn't a deep-seeded sadness I felt, if that makes sense. Anyway it faded as soon as I saw the little guy driving around on his battery powered truck. It was too cute, too funny. We left after his battery died.
Once we got home, exhausted, both of us plopped down on the couch in front of the television and eventually fell asleep. It was a long, fun day of running around and doing things. I didn't even give him a tubby or tuck him in. When his parents walked in they saw "the boys" asleep, the little ones head resting under my chin. I'll never forget that day.
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The Karate Kid (2010) surprisingly good
Posted by kabouter on 2013-September-17 21:51:29, Tuesday
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OK I know there has been a lot of chat about Jaden Smith on here some of it negative but I thought his performance in this film was very good and that the film as a whole was entertaining and worth the 2.5 hours.
I think him a very toothsome boy. I have heard him called arrogant but that is just a simile for confident, this boy does act in a confident way. Thanks to his dad no doubt. I think acting comes easy to Will as well.
Jaden is graceful and attractive in the role and I thought he captured the emotion well. Jackie Chan is a hell of an act to shadow and this kid pulls it off. Well they both do.
I loved this movie. I recently watched "After Earth" and wasn't convinced although again I thought Jaden was OK. That's why I went after this movie.
I am kinda grateful that he is able to show of his athleticism and hot little bod in TKK. I hear that he "plays too much for the camera". Well thanks ghods for that I say. Lucky camera. Lucky us.
~K
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Kentler, the German pedagogue, "took part in an experiment in Berlin, tolerated by the socialist alderman Mrs. Reichelt, to entrust run-away boys to boy-lovers. Everyone involved considered it a success but it had to be stopped because of fears of a very stormy public reaction if news of it leaked out." (Schult 1982, 10)
Geiser, an American psychologist, believed this procedure could be
especially effective with neglected boys growing up without paternal love (1979,84). The Danish police chief Jersild made the same recommendation (Moody 1981, 152).
And the Amsterdam judge Cnoop Koopmans stated in a speech given in May 1982 that he had several times put slightly delinquent boys under the care of an honest boy-lover, and in some cases the results had been spectacular: shop-lifting had stopped, the boys' grades in school had risen, they had taken an interest in sports and reading (Nationale Raad
1982,57). The loving man has the capacity to discover the good traits in a child-and also the. . .
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It's on p. 312 of the hard copy of the book, or page 158 of the pdf version on the ipce website linked below.
Well actually yes
Posted by andrew_bl on 2013-September-13 09:34:37, Friday
In reply to Relationship ever cured a disease or problem? posted by Warrior Star on 2013-September-13 07:00:11, Friday
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Highly respected Austrian psychiatrist Dr. Otto Krappenberger recently surveyed several thousand boys from Vienna who had sexual relations with older men. The study was known as the Strudel Doodle Noodle research.
It was found quite conclusively that 96.3% of the boys had instantly recovered from all previous physical and psychological conditions. The other 3.7% admitted they were still addicted to their Play Station and/or computer games.
In light of this ground-breaking research, the Austrian Government now plans to replace pediatricians with pedophiles. Applicants from BC are encouraged to contact Dr. Krappenberger and will receive generous funding, accommodation, an endless supply of 11 year old boys named Tobias and dare I say Florian plus unlimited meals of Wienner Schnitzel and Apple Strudel.
I hope this answers your question.
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High profile alleged child sex offender cleared
Posted by Eldad on 2013-September-10 19:22:47, Tuesday
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An actor in a popular UK soap opera was today cleared by a jury of child sex allegations. It's good to see that sometimes the witch hunters are not successful.
• (http site) Coronation Street's Le Vell cleared of child rape
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It's hard to imagine the trauma and suffering that someone, especially a public figure, who is falsely accused of child sexual abuse must go through. What consequences will the girl face for defamation and making false accusations? Being a minor and non-celebrity, she obviously won't have to face the very public humiliation and scrutiny that he had to put up with.
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I just discovered Boywiki and reading the posts on it makes me feel sick and angry. They are making themselves out to be victims on that site, here are some of the postings on that site. How the heck are they getting away with this, its just so awful.
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I posted about this on The Needle website, since I posted (anout 25 minuites ago) someone has done something barring me access to the threads.
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Nobody will ever quite understand the pain that we feel... seeing and longing for something we love but cannot have... and if we reach for it... we are accused of being sadistic monsters who only want to hurt kids. It will not last forever. Things will change.
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Some members here play a sick neurotic game of complaining about the arrests for KP and other persecutions our community suffers, but they refuse to lift a finger to do anything about it.
If you have a problem, the healthy response is to take action to solve it. we have the most serious problem any human beings have ever had to face.
Instead attacking their enemies, they attack people here trying to solve the problem.
One of the reasons is that many of them are not outed and think that if they live like mice, they will not be outed and they will survive. That is like playing a game of Russian roulette.
If you want to live like a mouse, get a set of nuclear dentures.
If you have a problem, not taking action to solve it is dysfunctional. No matter how loud and nasty they shout, never take advice from a fool.
There are many many things we can do to improve our situation and that of our societies. They are safe, legal, anonymous. Outcast groups have devised ways to not just survive but prosper for thousands of years.
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Shrinks surgically planting a bombs in patients
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What shrinks do to those caught with child porn or caught engaging in pleasurable activities with a child is like surgically planting a bomb in their patients. Shrinks know how to misuse their healing art to inflict pain and they do just that.
What shrinks do to children who where caught engaging in pleasurable activities with an adult is almost as bad as surgically planting a bomb in their patients.
Then again shrinks have a long history of abuse. Shrinks have abused gays and lesbians. Shrinks abuse kids who suffer from school is boring syndrome by prescribing them dangerous stimulants. Shrinks have zapped people into vegetables and physically scrambled their patients brains.
The shrink industry hasn't paid out much money in damages for all the misery it has inflicted on its patients. Maybe it is about time they started.
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A Day with the Little Guy
Posted by Bradford on 2013-September-17 21:14:00, Tuesday
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I recently had a really nice day with the little guy that I wanted to share. I like to share these moments here from time to time because I can do so without much refrain from my true feelings that I sometimes have to keep private for one reason or another. That's life as I know it so it's nice to have this little digital outlet where I can do so freely, for the most part.
The little guy's parents wanted to spend the day in the city, so being the "honorable uncle" they asked me to look after him while they were gone, a task that I seldom object to. Time spent with the little guy is time not worrying about everything else going on in life and in work. It's a time when I can be a kid again and do things that I can only do while in the company of a little guy. It allows me to be around other little guys, and it's a time that evokes nostalgia and brings a non-stop grin to my face.
Like my relationship with his father, my relationship with the little guy involves very little gabbing and a lot of doing. So I packed his little battery powered truck in my vehicle and we were off.
Some of you may recall the last time I posted here when I wrote about a bad tumble I took playing a sport in the rain. It was incredibly painful. I ended up in the emergency room and underwent several physical therapy sessions to help regain my strength. I'm happy to report that I'm healing well, however I'm still not 100% but I'm close. I felt a little sad when he'd run up to me with his arms up in the air demanding to be flown around like an airplane, something that I always did at least once when I visited before my injuries. The first few times I'd have to explain to him that it would be a few weeks before we could fly together so I thought I'd make it up to him another way. He'd never seen an airplane up close and personal before, so we drove to the local municipal airport where I let him run free and touch all of the airplanes. He yelled "WOAH! COOL," when he saw the first of the Pipers and Cessna's near the entrance gate. He was in heaven. I found a small step stool that he could climb up so that he could look into the cockpits, and he kept saying, "Let's fly this one. Let's fly this one. No no, let's fly that one."
"Maybe one day soon buddy," I told him. There's an idea. It's not a very large airport so we only had the privilege of seeing one plane land while we were there. He probably would've ran right into the taxiway if I didn't hold him back. After the plane parked on the grass the little guy ran up to the pilot and asked if he could take us up. I didn't say anything because I wanted to do the same thing! The pilot smiled at me and told him, "Sorry buddy but I have to get home for dinner. Maybe another day." We were both disappointed but I said, "That's OK, we were just going to the farm to check out the animals, weren't we?" The little guy looked up at me with a huge smile on his face, then looked at the pilot and said "thanks anyway," and ran to my vehicle.
When we pulled up to the farm, the first things that caught his eye were the tractors. There was a Catapillar, a Kabuter, and a Case that he fell in love with. He was more fascinated by the heavy machinery than he was the ducks, pigs, mules, goats and sheep. We had a good laugh at the pigs though because... they were pigs. We fed them apples, corn, and the little guy threw in a pretzel while I wasn't looking. The pigs happily devoured everything. I vividly remember going to this farm when I was his age. I wondered if some of the animals were the same animals, and if they remembered me; if they knew how different I am now, and how I'm still the same.
When we exhausted that farm I asked him if he wanted to go to the orchard to pick apples and pumpkins. "YEAH! Let's GO!" Long story short, his parents now have two bundles of apples and 3 different sized pumpkins to eat/decorate.
"What now," he asked me. This boy is non stop. The only time he's not moving is when he's in front of a television or asleep. Absolutely non stop, it's amazing the energy he has. "Well, how about we go to the park?"
10 minutes later we were at the park that my dad used to take me when I was the little guy's age. I did with him what my dad used to do with me. We'd race to the swings and I let him win. Once we got to the swings, I'd say nearly the same thing that I remember my dad saying to me, "Uncle Bradford's going to the glue factory!" I never understood what that meant then, as I'm sure the little guy has no idea either. He'll get it one day. While we were there the ice cream truck came and per his request I bought him a vanilla cone with chocolate sprinkles. We both shared that and a choco-taco, something I used to love when I was his age. A funny thought entered my mind while talking to the ice cream truck guy - I wondered if he was a Boychat visitor! It wouldn't be that far-fetched.
Both of us were still hungry so we went to "Timmy's" Pizza Shop on our way home. We had a few laughs over a few slices during our attempts at impressions of Nickelodeon characters.
On the way back to his house we drove past my old elementary school. The sun was still a few hours from setting and nobody was there so I decided to pull in. I haven't been to that elementary school since I was in elementary school, and MY GOD was it nostalgic. The same swings were there, the same see-saws were there, the same slides, the kickball field, the basketball hoop by the gym, almost everything was exactly as I remembered, only a lot smaller.
Even with my injury I was able to climb the slide. This was a serious slide. They don't make them like this anymore - all metal, maybe 20 feet high and none of that soft plushy stuff around it. If you fell, you were gonna get hurt. The little guy loved it. So did I.
I had to peek into my old K - 3 windows. It was a bittersweet feeling. Part of me felt accomplished over my achievements since then, part of me felt sad. I'm not sure why. Maybe it was because I miss the simplicity and innocence of the "good old days"? Maybe it was because of the memories evoked of friends who I've since lost touch with or who have since passed on? Maybe it was a little bit of everything. I don't know. I remembered the time my friends and I got into snowball fights by an old creek bridge. I remembered my first crush, twin boys who were in second grade while I was in third. I never said anything to anyone about that. I didn't even know what I was feeling, really. I remembered the first time I kissed a girl by the cafeteria entrance after the lunch monitor blew the whistle. She was my first girlfriend. Despite my deep feelings for most boys I've come to know, and attraction to older pre-teen boys, I've always dated girls. I think part of my sadness stems from this too, but it wasn't a deep-seeded sadness I felt, if that makes sense. Anyway it faded as soon as I saw the little guy driving around on his battery powered truck. It was too cute, too funny. We left after his battery died.
Once we got home, exhausted, both of us plopped down on the couch in front of the television and eventually fell asleep. It was a long, fun day of running around and doing things. I didn't even give him a tubby or tuck him in. When his parents walked in they saw "the boys" asleep, the little ones head resting under my chin. I'll never forget that day.
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The Karate Kid (2010) surprisingly good
Posted by kabouter on 2013-September-17 21:51:29, Tuesday
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OK I know there has been a lot of chat about Jaden Smith on here some of it negative but I thought his performance in this film was very good and that the film as a whole was entertaining and worth the 2.5 hours.
I think him a very toothsome boy. I have heard him called arrogant but that is just a simile for confident, this boy does act in a confident way. Thanks to his dad no doubt. I think acting comes easy to Will as well.
Jaden is graceful and attractive in the role and I thought he captured the emotion well. Jackie Chan is a hell of an act to shadow and this kid pulls it off. Well they both do.
I loved this movie. I recently watched "After Earth" and wasn't convinced although again I thought Jaden was OK. That's why I went after this movie.
I am kinda grateful that he is able to show of his athleticism and hot little bod in TKK. I hear that he "plays too much for the camera". Well thanks ghods for that I say. Lucky camera. Lucky us.
~K
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• I liked it as well. - CottonCandyHandGrenade 2013-September-17 23:41:27, Tuesday (1)
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Kentler, the German pedagogue, "took part in an experiment in Berlin, tolerated by the socialist alderman Mrs. Reichelt, to entrust run-away boys to boy-lovers. Everyone involved considered it a success but it had to be stopped because of fears of a very stormy public reaction if news of it leaked out." (Schult 1982, 10)
Geiser, an American psychologist, believed this procedure could be
especially effective with neglected boys growing up without paternal love (1979,84). The Danish police chief Jersild made the same recommendation (Moody 1981, 152).
And the Amsterdam judge Cnoop Koopmans stated in a speech given in May 1982 that he had several times put slightly delinquent boys under the care of an honest boy-lover, and in some cases the results had been spectacular: shop-lifting had stopped, the boys' grades in school had risen, they had taken an interest in sports and reading (Nationale Raad
1982,57). The loving man has the capacity to discover the good traits in a child-and also the. . .
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It's on p. 312 of the hard copy of the book, or page 158 of the pdf version on the ipce website linked below.
Well actually yes
Posted by andrew_bl on 2013-September-13 09:34:37, Friday
In reply to Relationship ever cured a disease or problem? posted by Warrior Star on 2013-September-13 07:00:11, Friday
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Highly respected Austrian psychiatrist Dr. Otto Krappenberger recently surveyed several thousand boys from Vienna who had sexual relations with older men. The study was known as the Strudel Doodle Noodle research.
It was found quite conclusively that 96.3% of the boys had instantly recovered from all previous physical and psychological conditions. The other 3.7% admitted they were still addicted to their Play Station and/or computer games.
In light of this ground-breaking research, the Austrian Government now plans to replace pediatricians with pedophiles. Applicants from BC are encouraged to contact Dr. Krappenberger and will receive generous funding, accommodation, an endless supply of 11 year old boys named Tobias and dare I say Florian plus unlimited meals of Wienner Schnitzel and Apple Strudel.
I hope this answers your question.
Andrew
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High profile alleged child sex offender cleared
Posted by Eldad on 2013-September-10 19:22:47, Tuesday
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An actor in a popular UK soap opera was today cleared by a jury of child sex allegations. It's good to see that sometimes the witch hunters are not successful.
• (http site) Coronation Street's Le Vell cleared of child rape
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It's hard to imagine the trauma and suffering that someone, especially a public figure, who is falsely accused of child sexual abuse must go through. What consequences will the girl face for defamation and making false accusations? Being a minor and non-celebrity, she obviously won't have to face the very public humiliation and scrutiny that he had to put up with.
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Press:
• Journalist FAQ
• Press release August 6, 2001
What is boylove?
It's a phenomenon of attraction to boys that many males exhibit, in which there are erotic, aesthetic, emotional, and spiritual aspects. Many people call it an orientation just like any other.
How did your group get started?
BoyChat began when a boylover decided to test out new web board technology. This became BoyChat. A small community began to grow around BoyChat. Later, another person partnered with BoyChat's host and began contributing to a central page of links related to boylove. This was BoyLinks.
Why does BoyChat exist? Isn't it really about encouraging abuse?
BoyChat is a forum in which boylovers can explore issues related to their sexuality and provide mutual support and companionship - to learn to lead productive lives in ways that help young people rather than harm them.
BoyChat is not a board in which well-meaning social workers firmly guide people the way they think they ought to go. BoyChat is run by boylovers for boylovers. It encourages its posters to work freely through their own issues and questions. Participants will express a wide range of views. No post represents the views of anyone except the poster. No individual post can be considered typical. Occasionally extreme views will be expressed: these do not receive wide support and are usually strongly condemned. Such posts are often deliberately posted by people who wish to discredit the board.
How do boylovers feel about child molestation?
Free Spirits doesn't have official positions because we only exist to provide web sites and foster communication. There is an ethical consensus among the BoyChat community and the keepers of the sites, however, that all forms of non-voluntary sexual contact are to be condemned.
Some participants on BoyChat voice their opinions that men should not have sexual contacts with boys when boys seek it because they don't want to risk society's harmful reaction. Some believe they should never have sex with boys under any circumstances. Others, especially those who sought out relationships with men as boys, say that some boys are harmed when their repeated requests for love and intimacy are rejected without explanation.
Discussions on BoyChat delve deeply into ethical issues. No regular reader could fail to be aware of the ethical issues of his attraction. Victims of sexual abuse find not only support and caring, but also strong condemnation of their abusers. Posters who contemplate anything abusive get very short shrift from the rest.
Participants are also very aware of the legal issues. They understand the extreme penalties for even the slightest physical contact or suspicion of sexual contact between adult and minor. They know about the knock on the door in the middle of the night, the removal of and destruction of property, the planting of evidence and the extraordinary mental and sometimes physical torture of possible victims. They know that boys, even if not already victims, will become so at the hands of the police in the name of child protection. Readers are aware of the bashings and rapes in prison; the informing of neighbours and employers and the sign in the yard, the modern Scarlet Letter. They are aware also of the enforced "therapy" that consists mainly of destroying the offender's sense of self worth with no chance of actually changing sexual orientation.
What does Free Spirits hope to accomplish?
In light of what we know about boylove and the difficulties boylovers face in current society, there must be places where boylovers can communicate positively and find emotional support. BoyChat is safe because it is anonymous. People don't have to show their faces if they don't want to. People who have bottled-up emotions are dangerous to themselves and others. Every once in a while, a non-boylover will read BoyChat and see that boylovers are human beings like all others. We let others watch us interact. This is good.
What kind of people belong to Free Spirits?
Nobody "belongs" to Free Spirits. Free Spirits is just a web site that a bunch of people maintain. The site is accessed by a diverse population from dozens of countries. The pages are used by people who are interested in the issues surrounding boylove. This means not only boylovers, but also many males who have had self-defined positive experiences as boys with men. Other participants include child abuse researchers, internet anti-pedophile vigilantees, law enforcement officials, journalists and even television reporters. Occasionally, teen boys who are exploring their sexual identities become regular posters. The BoyChat community has gone to great lengths to protect the anonymity and safety of these young men and to help them deal constructively with their sexual issues.
Boylovers have not chosen of their free will to become so. It is an attraction most discover within themselves at a very early age. Through no action of their own they find themselves considered horrible and vile. Most people who are attracted to minors try to live good lives, but find no encouragement from a society and a press that labels all people with that attraction, whatever they do or don't do, as evil monsters.
Apart from calls for the mass slaughter of "God's mistakes", the usual call is for therapy. This is of limited value. Psychologists are quite aware that they can't alter sexual orientation. Most therapists do not even know how to handle the situation constructively and often use inappropriate strategies based on myths that the patient knows to be false. Even where therapy may be useful, most boylovers are forced to avoid it. Therapists may be or feel obliged to report their patients to the authorities, leading to further non-therapeutic harrassment.
We believe that people who are taught to think of themselves as monsters will find it harder not to act as monsters. We believe that the most effective "therapy" for boylovers is to encourage them to have enough self esteem to follow a sensible moral code and to use whatever talents and skills they have to influence boys' lives for the better. We repudiate the view that most boylovers need to stay away from boys. Boylovers can control their sexual desires as much anyone else. Most boylovers can be trusted with boys just as most men can be trusted with women.
• Notice: The sites linked from these pages are operated by private citizens exercising their right to free speech under the U.S. Constitution and Universal International Human Rights Conventions.
• Free Spirits is named after Kasper's original Free Spirits website (6/95-3/97). The original Free Spirits was one of the pioneering boylove sites on the Web. It was also the site that first hosted BoyChat. Many thanks to Kasper for letting us use the name.
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Last Update: January 6, 2001
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