MI5 KNAVERY

I would like to know what useful purpose MI5 have. I say this as a victim of MI5 scullduggery.

Why on earth did David Rose of MI5 and Greg Lance Watkins of MI5 become involved in covering up institutional child abuse, and why has MI5 not made some sort of public statement about these two wretched men?

I thought MI5 were supposed to be there to protect the ordinary citizens of this country, not persecute the most vulnerable. If MI5 can't keep it's members under better control then perhaps it needs to be disbanded?

I will ask this again - WHY ARE MI5 ACTIVLY INVOLVED IN COVERING UP INSTITUTIONAL CHILD ABUSE?

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FROM THE WEB PAGE MI5 THE SECURITY SERVICE

"The Security Service (MI5) is responsible for protecting the United Kingdom against threats to national security. This website provides information about the Security Service, the threats it counters, links to sources of security advice and details of careers with the Service."

"The Government has published a consultation paper on justice and security issues, announced last summer by the Prime Minister. It is intended to address a dilemma relating to the use of sensitive material in civil courts. In cases where the Government needs to rely on such material to defend itself or to support lawful executive action, it may be unable to disclose such information in court because doing so would risk harm to the public interest.

The consultation paper puts forward proposals to resolve this dilemma by:

•enabling judges to consider sensitive information in court;
•protecting UK national security and intelligence sharing relationships by preventing damaging disclosure of sensitive material;
•ensuring that the security and intelligence agencies remain subject to credible and effective judicial and parliamentary scrutiny.
The details of the proposals are set out in a Green Paper, "Justice and Security", which can be downloaded from http://consultation.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/justiceandsecurity. Comments are invited before the closing deadline of 6 January 2012.

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19 October 2011"

"MI5 and MI6 infiltrated -- the story of Victor and Tess Rothschild
by CrackSmokeRepublican » Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:18 am

Pretty Damning....we are dealing with Satan's minions... like Crypto-Jew James Jesus Angleton "desperately" trying to prevent Russian penetration of the "CIA" which was a total Crypto-Jew's KolNidre... he trained the Mossad in 1947...he was working for Rothschild...

It's a sick Satanic Jew 'd game -- a.k.a the Intelligence business. -- The CSR

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Sunday, January 23, 2005

MI5 and MI6

Britain's MI5 has been infiltrated. Who now controls Britain? Or America? Or the world? PART ONE - INFILTRATION BY RUSSIANS ONLY?
Peter Wright and Chapman Pincher pointed out that vast numbers of Britain's secrets ended up in the hands of the Soviets. Wright and Pincher even suggested that Roger Hollis, onetime head of MI5, was a spy for Russia.

Russia has turned out to be a country with an almost Third World economy and military.

Soviet defector Viktor Suvorov, in his book 'The Liberators: inside the Soviet Army', 1981, portrayed the Soviet armed forces as an "inefficient, cynical, farcical army of conscripts, skiving off at the first opportunity and doing their best to stay permanently smashed on anything they could smoke, drink or inject - the mirror image of wider Soviet society, in short; and about as threatening to NATO as the girl guides."

But, in the days of the Nazi-Soviet Pact and the Berlin Blockade, Russia was a dangerous enemy. So what about infiltration?

In 1961 high-ranking KGB officer Anatoli Golitsin defected to the West. Golitsin confirmed that the Soviets had agents within the British secret service, although Golitsin knew them only by their code names.

In 1968 Golitsin travelled to Britain and was shown documents which contained the code names of unidentified Soviet agents.

Two code names- David and Rosa - particularly interested Golitsin.

Golitsin studied the files of MI5 officers, picked out two, and then declared to MI5 Officer Peter Wright: "Your spies are here."

The files bore the names of Victor and Tess Rothschild.

Wright told Golitsin that he thought he had got it wrong as Rothschild was one of the best friends MI5 had ever had.

Wright, MI5's chief scientist and a personal friend of Rothschild, wrote in his book 'Spy catcher' (Heinemann, Australia, 1987) : 'Rothschild was fascinated by my plans for the scientific modernization of MI5...I soon realized that he possessed an enormous appetite for the gossip and intrigue of the secret world, and we were soon swapping stories about some of the more bizarre colleagues he remembered from the war.'

According to Wright's book, Rothschild, the former very close friend of Russian spies Philby, Burgess and Blunt, had access to most secrets and most of the top people in the Secret service.

Wright wrote: 'I doubt I have ever met a man who impressed me as much as Victor Rothschild. He is a brilliant scientist, a Fellow of the Royal Society, with expertise in botany and zoology, and a fascination for the structure of spermazotoa. But he has been much, much more than a scientist. His contacts, in politics, in intelligence, in banking, in the Civil Service, and abroad are legendary.'

In the book 'The Fifth Man', (by Roland Perry, Pan Books London 1994) Roland Perry puts the case that Ted Rothschild was a major spy for Russia and Israel, not the spy known as 'David' but one of the notorious 'ring of five.'

Ted Rothschild was Nathaniel Mayer VICTOR Rothschild (1910 to 1990), the third Lord Rothschild. He was the British head of the famous banking dynasty, which had financed the British army at the Battle of Waterloo and financed the purchase of the Suez Canal for Great Britain.

The Rothschilds had their own 'spy network' and knew that Napoleon had been defeated at Waterloo before this was known to the governments of Britain or France. The first Lord Rothschild, had been 'a powerful back-room manipulator of late Victorian politics.' He had taken an interest in the extension of Cecil Rhodes diamond empire and the attempts to destroy the Liberal Party.

The Rothschilds were perhaps seen as being the chief representatives of Zionism. In the famous Balfour Declaration of 1917, Britain's Foreign Secretary wrote the 'declaration' to Lord Walter Rothschild, Victor's uncle: "Dear Lord Rothschild,... His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object."

Why might Victor Rothschild have spied for foreign powers?

It has been speculated that Rothschild was "more loyal to his Jewish heritage than anything English."

In the 1930's one of his main concerns was how to help Jews who were being persecuted in Germany. He allegedly saw the Soviets as the only people who could ensure Hitler's defeat. Some have suspected that he helped the Soviet spy machine and did so because it was the enemy of Nazi Germany.

After World War II, Rothschild assisted in the creation of a homeland for the Jews. According to one critic: "When the British tried to thwart the birth of Israel, which would have upset its power base in the Middle East, Rothschild intrigued against British interests."

When Israel was established Rothschild allegedly helped Israel to gain the spy technology and nuclear weaponry which would defend it.

It has been suggested by Roland Perry that Rothschild was recruited by the soviet agent known as Otto. "Philby, Blunt and Burgess had warned Otto that Rothschild had to be reeled in on the Jewish, anti-Hitler line."

Rothschild was not a fan of Stalin; he knew that Russia also had its pogroms. But Otto could have pointed out to Rothschild that there was a danger that Britain might team up with Germany in order to defeat Stalin and communism.

In the 1930's there were many fans of Hitler among right-wing people in the City of London, in the British media and in parliament.

"Otto spoke of the financial, military and trade deals on-going between Germany and Britain."

According to ex-KGB Colonel 'F' and KGB officer Yuri Modin, Rothschild was the key to most of the Cambridge ring's penetration of British Intelligence.

According to Perry, "Burgess, at MI6 (and still on a retainer from Rothschild) recommended Philby for a job in Section D of MI6. Rothschild, who had helped nudge Burgess into his position before the war, had been in turn recommended to MI5 by Burgess."

'Rothschild had the contacts,' Modin noted. 'He was able to introduce Burgess, Blunt and others to important figures in Intelligence such as Stewart Menzies, Dick White and Robert Vansittart, the Permanent Under-secretary of State in the Foreign Office, who controlled MI6.'

In a Lords' debate on 'The Situation in Palestine' on 31 July 1946, Victor Rothschild indicated that "He would put the same fervour into setting up Israel as he had done in defeating Hitler.' Rothschild hoped that the powerful Jewish lobby in the USA, with which he had good contacts, would gain US support for a homeland.

But Rothschild may also have been hoping for some help from the Russians. According to Perry, 'The KGB were hoping that Rothschild could still help them as they geared up their efforts to steal Western bomb intelligence. He was secretly anti-American when it came to their drive to be the biggest military power and, like Oppenheimer, he was keen to do what he could to create a 'balance of terror', where each of the superpowers had the bomb as a deterrent to each other's aggression."

In 1946 Rothschild was lobbying with some success for more Jews to be allowed to travel from Russia to Palestine.

According to Perry, Rothschild "made sure Russia's scientists had the basics of every secret project from biological warfare to radar and the various types of potential nuclear bomb."

Soon after Israel was formed, Rothschild was allegedly involved with Chaim Weizmann in setting up a special nuclear physics department in a scientific institute in Rehovoth.

In 1956, Britain, France and Israel secretly worked out plans to invade Egypt so as to get back control of the Suez Canal from President Nasser.

It was after the Suez Affair that the French promised to supply Israel with a nuclear reactor and some uranium.

The secret deal was only known to about a dozen individuals, induding Rothschild.

In 1957, French engineers began building a nuclear reactor at Dimona on the edge of the Negev Desert.

Perry believes that while "MI5 inventions and technical advances went on, Rothschild kept in contact with the key figures and digested the reports. This, coupled with his close contact with Dick White, other intelligence chiefs, Wright and the heads of the key research facilities in everything from weapons to radar, meant that Rothschild understood better than anyone in MI6 or MI5 every aspect of British Intelligence, from technical developments to their application in the field...... Thanks to Rothschild the KGB knew of every development and were able to take steps to counter them. Furthermore, they used the technology themselves against Western agents."

And what about the CIA?

According to Wright, American top spook James Angleton "was already suspicious of Rothschild. He had first annoyed Jim on his patch. Jim had special connections with Israel and he felt the British [Intelligence] through Rothschild were interfering..."

Angleton also took note of Rothschild's support of Israel. In the 1940s it ran contrary to British interests. He was serving both MI5 and (what was to become) Mossad. If he was capable of serving two agencies, could he secretly serve a third? Angleton 'worried about Israel's left-wing politics when it was formed. He was concerned that some of the British agents [including Rothschild] had been happy with that. But not Jim. He wanted them to be a wholesome [laughs] anti-communist US satellite. That took a little time [laughs].'

In 1962, the year after Golitsin defected, Russian spy Kim Philby was working in the Middle East as a journalist for the Observer. His articles on Israel were seen as being 'anti-Israel' and did not please top friends of Israel such as Rothschild.

At a party at Weizmann's house in Israel, Rothschild met Flora Solomon, 'a Russian emigre Zionist', former close friend of Philby's, and executive of Marks and Spencer.

According to Wright, Solomon 'had obviously been in the thick of things in the mid-1930s, part inspiration, part fellow accomplice, and part courier for the fledgling Ring of Five, along with her friends Litzi Philby, and Edith Tudor Hart.'

Now Solomon and Rothschild suddenly announced that Solomon had decided to denounce Philby. "The reason? Philby's pieces in the Observer about Israel. She was saying that their anti-Israel slant had 'angered' her."

According to Perry: "In August 1962, a few months after British Intelligence planned to move against Philby but not put him on trial, Rothschild was in Rehovoth, Israel. He made contact with a fellow Mossad agent, who was despatched to Beirut to contact Philby and brief him on the latest attitude of White and Hollis towards him. They were now planning to interrogate him in Beirut. He would probably be offered immunity in exchange for a full confession."

According to Perry, it wasn't just Philby who was in difficulty.

Rothschild was interrogated by MI5 eleven times. Rothschild said, "I was questioned very extensively. The authorities, as I call them, said that they wished to talk to me and they talked in quite a friendly way. I have a feeling that they believed in me."

According to former MI6 agent James Rusbridger, Peter Wright and another MI5 source, Rothschild was fed information in 1962, which ended up 'in the wrong place' - namely with the KGB.

Perry writes: "This did not prove he had spied, for the data just conceivably could have been stolen from him. Yet it raised suspicions. However, Rothschild still managed to convince people that he and Tess were victims by association. Their friends Guy, Anthony, Kim, Michael, Leo and so on, with whom they dined, drank, studied, lived and worked, had duped them."

Rothschild was able to continue his links with MI5.

Wright did not suspect that Rothschild was a spy for Russia, but Wright did suspect that MI5 boss Hollis and prime minister Harold Wilson might be spies for the enemy.

In the US, the CIA.s Angleton was becoming yet more suspicious that Rothschild was a spy for the enemy. However, Rothschild improved his image with Angleton by emphasising his Mossad (Israeli secret service) links; Angleteon was always in favour of close CIA links to Mossad.

Rothschild also improved his image by doing work for MI6 induding running agents in China in the late 1960's.

In 1972, Rothschild played a major part in choosing the new head of MI5, Michael Hanley, a man whom Wright considered to be a disappointment.


PART TWO WHO CONTROLS BRITAIN?

In the 1960's, leading CIA agent James Angleton was worried about Harold Wilson and his links to Eastern European businessmen who might have had links to Russia and Israel.

An Israeli spy had suggested that Labour leader Gaitskell had been murdered by the KGB so that Wilson could become PM.

In 1965 Angleton, and President Johnson, decided to commission a report on Britain's secret services.

This report recommended sending more spies to Britain It seemed that the CIA was going to treat Britain like Indonesia or Pakistan.

In order to ensure that there was an elite which would support US interests, the CIA would try to gain control of MI5 and MI6, use dirty tricks to get rid of anti-American politicians, and place pro-American puppets into positions of power.

In 1996, in the Guardian, Martin Kettle suggested that New Labour was all about Britain being in with the Americans.

In a talk to Labour Party branches in 1996, Robin Ramsay (Lobster Magazine) pointed out some interesting links between New labour and the USA.

Jonathan Powell, Blair's top man in Downing Street, used to work in Britain's Washington embassy and is suspected by some of having been our spook liaising with the CIA.

Top Blair aid David Milliband did a degree at the USA's MIT and Brown's top aid Edward Balls went to Harvard.

Gordon Brown spent his holidays in the library at Harvard.

The US encouraged large numbers of Labour MPs to take free trips to America (Israel also invited a large number of Labour MPs to Israel).

In 1986 Tony Blair went on a US-sponsored trip to America and came back a supporter of the nuclear deterrent.

In 1993 Blair attended a Bilderberg Group meeting (secretive right wing organisation) and not long afterwards became Labour leader.

Four of the Blair cabinet have been members of the Anglo-American elite group the British American Project; three of the Blair cabinet have attended Bilderberg meetings.

Peter Mandelson become Chair of British Youth Council which began as the British section of the World Assembly of Youth, which was set up and financed by MI6 and then taken over by the CIA in the 1950s. By Mandelson's time in the mid1970s the British Youth Council was said to be financed by the Foreign Office or MI6. According to Ramsay, 'Peter Mandelson has been around MI6 since his early 20s'. Old Labour is the domestic economy; New Labour is the overseas British economy. In other words, the multinationals, the City of London, and the Foreign Office which represents their interests.'

And the unions?

According to Ramsay: "The CIA also ran the anti-communist international trade union movement, the International Confederation of Free Trade Unions, the ICFTU..By the mid 1950s nearly a quarter of the TUC's annual budget was going to the ICFTU, a CIA operation.

And the press?

According to Ramsay, the security services may be planting disinformation in the media. "Tomlinson told us about the 20-strong I/Ops - Information Operations - unit in that shiny building on the Thames."

And sometimes the information is confusing. Ramsay writes: "does Gaddafi have Taiwanese Scuds (MI5 story planted in the Sunday Times) or North Korean missiles (MI6 story planted in the Sunday Telegraph.... The Sunday Times was a serious, respectable newspaper until Andrew Neil became its editor in the mid-1980s and turned it into a mouth-piece for MI5 and the MOD to run their rubbish through. The Sunday Telegraph shows all the signs of going down the same dangerous path."

It looks like the Anglo-American-Israeli elite are in charge.

Now here is an interesting quote about what may be happening: 'There has been a gradual erosion of civil liberties, an increase in the influence of the army, and an acceptance of corruption among public servants. Vast fortunes have been accumulated by a small group who use their wealth to control the Senate.' That was a description of the Roman Empire, but it could equall y be a description of the present-day Britain, or the US Empire or the former Soviet Empire. It is conspiracies from within, rather than conspiracies from without, which often lead to the collapse of empires.

PART THREE - WHO RUNS AMERICA AND THE WORLD?

"We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."-- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.

When Clinton was about to step down, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak asked President Clinton to grant a pardon to Marc Rich. Clinton granted the pardon. Marc Rich had been indicted in a US federal court of evading more than $48 million in taxes. He was also charged with 51 counts of tax fraud and with running illegal oil deals with Iran during the hostage crisis. He had also traded with Libya, South Africa and the USSR when there were embargos, with Iraq when there was conflict....

Is Israel in charge? No. But it could be the people who trade in oil, in guns, in drugs....

In 1991, Paul Henderson, managing director of machine tools company Matrix Churchill, was in court facing a seven year jail sentence for selling to Iraq materials that could be used for military purposes. Government ministers tried to prevent the court from discovering the truth - that Paul Henderson had been working for the British government as a secret agent for 17 years.

Eventually the truth about Henderson came out.

But why had we been helping Iraq? The July 29, 1991 issue of TIME MAGAZINE stated :"B.C.C.I. is the largest corporate criminal enterprise ever... the most pervasive money-laundering operation ...ever created for the likes of Manuel Noriega, Ferdinand Marcos, Saddam Hussein and the Columbian drugs lords."

B.C.C.I. Got into the U.S. banking industry by secretly buying the shares of First American Bank, whose chairman is Clark Clifford- a founder of the CIA According to sources, "B.C.C.I. was engaged in international bribery, blackmail, and assassination of government officials at the highest levels.

The CIA used B.C.C.I. to facilitate funding of the Contras, illegal arms sales to Iran and Iraq as well as the arms supply to the Afghan resistance. The Justice Department began by obstructing the investigation. "B.C.C.I. maintained accounts for Contra leader Adolfo Calero and Sandanista leader, Daniel Ortega, as well as such disparate figures as Noriega, Saddam, Marcos, Adnan Khashoggi, the PLO, the Mossad and the governments of China, Argentina, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Peru."

The bank was seemingly financing both sides in a number of conflicts.

Who gained? The arms and drugs industries. Cynics might say that wars help the ruling elites to stay in power.

And here are some strange 'facts' picked up from various sources: The U.S. sold $50 billion dollars worth of weapons to Iraq before the gulf war.

Libya was supplied with hundreds of Green Beret trainers and 42,000 lbs of C-4 plastic explosives prior to U.S. attacks on Libya.

The U.S financed the Kama River truck plant which produced the trucks for Russia's Afghanistan invasion and built the highways used by the Russian tanks.

The day General McArthur signed the peace treaty with Japan half the weapons stored on Okinawa were shipped to Ho Chi Minh and General Giap who met these shipments at the docks of Hai Phong harbor with Lucien Conein, the CIA case officer for Diem.

Jonathan Kwitny's book, The Crimes of Patriots, a True Tale of Dope, Dirty Money and the CIA, (Simon & Shuster 1987) is an expose of th e alleged role of the CIA in the drugs business. Kwitny refers to the Nugan-Hand Bank- an Australian money laundering operation set up to facilitate Golden Triangle heroin trafficking. Major officers of the bank "included Admiral Buddy Yates (President), General Erle Cocke, General Edwin Black, General LeRoy Manor, and ex-CIA Director, William Colby with other CIA affiliated persons too numerous to mention."

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Real democracies don't infiltrate legitimate protest groupsHow is it justifiable for police to spy on those exercising their democratic rights and perjure themselves as Jim Boyling did?

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Annie Machon guardian.co.uk, Friday 21 October 2011 19.30 BST Article history
The undercover police officer Jim Boyling, posing as Jim Sutton. Photograph: guardian.co.uk
Fresh revelations in the Guardian have delayed the publication of an official report into the work of undercover policemen in the UK. The report was ordered after Metropolitan police officer Mark Kennedy earlier this year exposed the widespread police penetration of legitimate protest groups. His evidence revealed miscarriages of justice when evidence was suppressed. But it now gets worse, as it appears that false evidence was used in trials and police officers have perjured themselves to maintain their cover.


The latest piece revealed that in 1997 Jim Boyling, posing as Jim Sutton, a committed member of the Reclaim the Streets campaign, was arrested and prosecuted for his part in the protests. He allegedly maintained his cover even when questioned in a court of law under oath. Other former secret policemen have approvingly said that this was a normal procedure to build up the credibility of an undercover agent.


Boyling's double life began in 1995, and the timing is interesting. Until 1994, MI5's F2 section had played the leading role in investigating UK political "subversives", those citizens deemed to be a threat to national security. The original justification for this work came after the exposure of the notorious Cambridge spy ring in the 50s and 60s, when MI5 was tasked to identify Soviet moles within the British establishment. However, this justification was pretty threadbare by the late 80s when the Communist party in Britain became largely defunct. At that point MI5 decided that Trotskyists could also a big threat, despite the fact that there was zero likelihood of any Trotskyist group being backed by the USSR. But why let the facts get in the way of a good spy investigation?


After the Berlin Wall had been down for a few years, MI5 finally threw in the subversive towel and closed down F2. Any residual responsibility for monitoring such groups was passed on to the police special branches. And this is where the current scandal begins.


The police also faced a massive reduction in their role, as a large part of the work of special branch sections across the country had involved reporting on local "subversive" groups. The Metropolitan police SB also had a dedicated unit, the special duties section (SDS), which ran police officers into political groups. Top brass were in a quandary: what to do with all this specialist knowledge and expertise? Well, it appears that work was made for idle SDS hands, and the unit began to infiltrate single-issue protest groups.


It appears to have been around this time that the control of the SDS, which morphed into Mark Kennedy's now-notorious national public order investigation unit (NPOIU), was transferred from the notionally accountable MPSB to the wholly unaccountable private limited company that is the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo).


So, let's get this straight. We had a bunch of secret policemen running around the country spying on their fellow citizens with no legal justification and absolutely no political oversight or public accountability. This would be difficult to justify even if our national security were under direct threat, but how precisely was the Reclaim the Streets campaign an existential threat to our nation?


If the investigation ever resumes, it needs to ask some hard-hitting questions: when did Acpo take over command of the undercover cops, what was the legal justification for this work and will there be a review of all cases involving such agents provocateurs?


Crucially, how on earth is it justifiable in a democracy for secret police to work undercover, gather intelligence on political campaigners exercising their democratic rights, act as agents provocateurs, and perjure themselves in court? The last time I checked, perjury carried a seven-year prison sentence, but I'm willing to bet Jim Boyling will not be back in the dock.


The UK likes to think of itself as a functioning democracy, but any country that condones spies infiltrating legitimate political protest groups is closer to a Stasi-style police state.