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Thursday, 17 April 2014

RICHARD WISE THE MAN WHO EXPOSED PINDOWN CHILD ABUSE AND SUDDENLY DIED (BUT NOT OF TERMINAL CANCER)

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If he can't spring you, nobody can
Richard Wise is a human hurricane. He can get a woman imprisoned for debt out of jail within six hours and look after his two children at the same time.
Emma Brooker Friday 17 May 1996

Richard Wise is tousled, verging on dishevelled. Mobile phone in one hand, bright red kids' shoe bag in the other, this afternoon he is ferrying his two small children around Stoke-on-Trent in his battered blue Nissan estate. Lawyer and single parent, Wise combines the two roles to become a sort of human hurricane. Starey-eyed and intense, one minute he is fielding calls from prisons and magistrates courts all over England, the next minute he is grilling his six-year-old daughter about the whereabouts of her packed lunch.

rate Wise as the most dynamic radical lawyer in the country. Detractors suggest that this soft-spoken 38-year-old is a menace to society. But there is one thing about him on which everyone can agree. Richard Wise is the man who gets women out of prison. He has "sprung" several hundred of them from jail within the past year. Inmates of Holloway, Risley and Drake Hall, the main women's prisons in the UK, whisper the name Richard Wise to new arrivals as though it were the key to the prison gates. If he can't get you out, nobody can.

Wise specialises in obtaining the release of women imprisoned for non- payment of television licences, council tax, small debts and petty fines. Britain is the only country in Western Europe that still jails people for civil debt. Magistrates imprison up to 500 debtors daily, with figures running to around 30,000 a year. About a third of all women sent down are jailed for debt, often unlawfully. Magistrates are supposed to have exhausted all other measures and use custody only as a last resort.

But just as quickly as magistrates put women behind bars for so-called "crimes of poverty", Wise is working round the clock to get them out again. It is hardly the most glamorous area of civil rights work, but Wise's commitment to his clients, whom he rarely meets or even hears from after their release, is total and passionate. And his work has a huge practical impact on the hundreds of women whose freedom he secures and their dependants.

Wise seems to make no distinction between work and personal life. Both areas are equally demanding as, since the breakdown of his marriage last year, he has full-time care of his children every other week. His home is linked umbilically to his office with fax and computer, and the usual office/home boundaries are further blurred by the fact that Wise works mainly with his younger brother Ian, a barrister at Helena Kennedy QC's Doughty Street chambers.

"His office is right next to the High Court, and because he's my brother I can bully him into doing judicial reviews for me. We don't have to be polite to each other either, and that saves a lot of time," says Richard.

The Wise brothers spend, on average, an hour each night talking through cases on the phone, Richard often talking on his mobile while he supervises his children's bath time. On Sunday afternoons, the two brothers thrash out business further while jogging along the canal towpaths of Stoke, their home town.

Both are outsiders to the legal establishment. Richard describes his experience as a working-class child attending a "stuffy" middle-class school as being formative in shaping his attitude towards the class-ridden legal hierarchy. To this day, he takes institutional injustice towards vulnerable individuals personally, which partly explains his commitment to his clients.

"I felt like an outsider," explains Richard, who had learning difficulties and left school at 16 with two O-levels and not much self-confidence. "My mum and dad saw no value in further education."

Richard started out in his father's trade as an apprentice "slabber" , making fireplace surrounds from tile and plaster. Ian left school at 18 and worked as a labourer in a Crewe tea factory for 10 years while studying for an Open University degree.

Maverick to the last, Richard prides himself on not fitting into a comfortable "alternative" bracket either. "The trendy, radical lawyers down in London don't know what to make of me, because I work from an old-fashioned small- town firm of solicitors up north." He seems to delight in challenging, confusing and annoying the sort of people who wrote him off as a child, and clearly identifies far more with his clients than his colleagues.

During a five-year stint as a case worker with the Citizens' Advice Bureau, Richard worked extensively with people on benefits and in debt, and seems to be fired by a desire to redress the balance of power in their favour. In 1989 he joined a radical firm of solicitors in the Midlands, and started doing ground-breaking para-legal work with imprisoned poll-tax defaulters. Repeatedly challenging magistrates through the High Court, he went on successfully to sue several magistrates for unlawful imprisonment, and in so doing he believes he brought about a sharp drop in the jailing of poll-tax defaulters.

Last year, when the female prison population swelled to a record of nearly 2,000, several governors, desperate to free places by getting non-criminals out of jail, called Wise and asked him to help. "The prisons needed the space, and they were also observing that a lot of the women in for debt were assimilating the behaviour of the serious criminals they were alongside," says Wise.

The motivating factor for Wise in getting involved was the thought of the "collateral damage" that the jailing of debtors can do to dependants. When women are jailed, their children are often taken into local authority care.

The bail officer at Holloway prison in London now refers the handful of debtors who arrive at the prison every day directly to Wise. Today they fax through papers for a new inmate called Sandra (not her real name) who has been sent down for 14 days for outstanding fines for soliciting totalling nearly pounds 500.

Richard springs into action. "Every new case is important and exciting," he says. "Not because of the legal principles, but because each one of these clients has got a personal tragedy to tell."

Within minutes he has Sandra on the phone and is coaxing her life story out of her. It turns out that she is a 25-year-old single parent with three small children, all of them suffering from sickle cell anaemia and in need of weekly hospital treatment. "You'll be out by tonight," he murmurs to her before hanging up.

Bristling with indignation, Wise is operating on full throttle. "I work on a different timescale to most solicitors," he says. "If I don't get her out within six hours, I've failed."

Within minutes he has e-mailed his brother, faxed the magistrates' court that sentenced Sandra, and is on the phone to the court clerk threatening a High Court action.

Wise's methods amount to a kind of bureaucratic terrorism. He has won plenty of enemies with his take-no-prisoners tactics, including Rosemary Thomson, chairman of the Magistrates Association.

"Richard has decided that part of his career is to work with women defaulters," she says. "But men and women are equal before the law. How are we to say that we are not going to send women with young children to prison for fine default? People are responsible for their own finances. Why can't they pay?" She points out that there are "a lot of poor people who are paying up with great difficulty". Why, in that case, should anybody be let off?

Others gush praise for Wise. "He's saving the country a lot of money," says Chris Tchaikovsky of the charity Women in Prison. The cost of jailing a woman is about pounds 600 per week, a sum greater than most of the debts that people are imprisoned for. "It's not every solicitor who will work that far and go that extra mile to get women out," she says, "yet there's nothing self-important, stuffy, altruistic or smug about him."

Tchaikovsky and other campaigners object to the jailing of debtors because, they say, it criminalises the poor, punishes their children and betrays a "Dickensian" attitude towards poverty redolent of the Victorian workhouse and poor laws. But in the end, the most persuasive argument against the practise is cost. A Bill aimed at ending the jailing of debtors in all but the most extreme cases will be launched by MPs later this month. It has cross-party support and would cut the number of people jailed for debt by about 80 per cent, saving up to pounds 20m of public money each year.

Until the law is changed, Wise remains a lifeline for pressured prison governors and jailed debtors alike. Of the 360 cases he has handled in the past year and a half, only five have failed.

As Wise drives his children from the childminders' back to his office, where they will wait for him to finish some outstanding work, his mobile rings. His brother is calling with the news that magistrates have signed the bail order for Sandra's release. Happy in the knowledge that she will be back home tonight with her children, Wise will be able to relax and get stuck into the next case.

64 comments:

Zoompad said...

"He has "sprung" several hundred of them from jail within the past year. Inmates of Holloway, Risley and Drake Hall, the main women's prisons in the UK"

DRAKE HALL IS THE PRISON MY SON AND HIS CLASSMATES FROM SPECIAL SCHOOL FOR DISABLED WERE BEING TAKEN TO FOR PE LESSONS WITHOUT THE PARENTS CONSENT AND KNOWLEDGE

Zoompad said...

I had a phone call yesterday from a woman from the Samaritans, as I had complained about the way I had been dealt with when I contacted the Samaritans recently, when the woman I spoke to seemed to know far too much about my personal circumstances - they are supposed to be strangers, and from what she said on the phone it was blatenly obvious that she was already aware about minibuses from special schools being taken into Drake Hall prison.

She told me that the Samaritans have a link with Drake Hall.

I'm not going to put the name of the lady who dealt with my complaint, although I am quite sure she will be reading this blog. You know who you are, now, do the right thing, you know what you have to do, you sounded a nice person over the phone, but you should not be covering up what you know about all of this, and if your people are going to google the victims of child abuse for more information they do have a duty of care to them when they discover the disgusting vendetta that is being waged against VICTIMS of child abuse AND THEIR FAMILIES by paedophile gangsters.

Anonymous said...

the pro homosexual agenda is also very anti heterosexual
read this as an attack on normal people

https://dub123.mail.live.com/default.aspx?rru=compose#tid=cm29i0HqvG4xGaEgAiZMIC4g2&fid=flinbox

Zoompad said...

IN THE INTERESTS OF STOPPING CHILD ABUSE I AM REPOSTING THIS ARTICLE:

What do we really know about Times editor, Daniel Finkelstein?

At first glance he appears to be no more than a Tory researcher and journalist, who loves to tweet nonsense as @Dannythefink.

Look a little closer though and an altogether more disturbing picture emerges of a warped apologist for VIP paedophiles.

Between 1981 and 1990 Finkelstein was a member of the SDP and in 1987 was defeated in the Brent East by-election.

It’s highly likely he came across child-raping filth, Cyril Smith MP.

Finkelstein switched political allegiance and joined the Tories, where he became political advisor to bald oddity, William Hague.

Hague himself is up to his neck in filth of the highest order and may have lots to tell the authorities about his links to the notorious Dolphin Square boy-brothel and the North Wales care-home scandal.

He was also the toy-boy of Margaret Thatcher, who spent a staggering amount of time with close chum, Jimmy Savile.

Some voices claim that Jill Dando was shot in the head because she was about to blow the lid on the BBC paedophile-ring, linked to Savile, Parliament and the Royals.

Her high-profile death was a warning to others to keep their mouth shut too.

Zoompad said...

The Crimestoppers helpline, run by Nick Ross, conveniently stopped working when an appeal was made for information about Jill’s murder.

Ross, who recently said he’d watch child-porn given half the chance, is married to the cousin of Esther Rantzen.

Rantzen runs the Childline charity and has been accused of ignoring the victims of Savile at the BBC.

Some voices claim that both organisations are used to gather and suppress reports of VIP child-abuse.

According to the Spectator:

” Lord Finkelstein is closer by far to George Osborne. One senior Times writer told me three years ago that he spoke ‘six or seven times a day. probably more’ to the Chancellor. Mr Osborne once reportedly remarked that he spoke to Mr Finkelstein more often then he did to his wife. But when Mr Osborne appeared in front of Lord Justice Leveson, the following exchange occurred:

Q. ‘Does he [Finkelstein] act for you as a sort of unpaid adviser and/or speech writer?’

A. ‘No, he’s just a very good friend.’

Zoompad said...

Osbourne has been embroiled in his own scandals after details emerged of his cocaine-habit and love of brothels.

In 2005, the BBC held a debate in response to the 7/7 bombings:

” To the Everyman Cinema last night with Tom Brent for a public meeting on current affairs. BBC presenter Emily Maitlis chaired a brisk discussion in which Shami Chakrabarti, director of Liberty, outshone distinguished panelists Sir Leon Brittan, Simon Hughes, and Daniel Finkelstein.”

Brittan and Hughes have both been linked to sordid allegations of abuse against boys.

Was Finkelstein aware of these allegations?

For many years, Daniel Finkelstein ran a company called ‘The Generation of Change Ltd’ with Neil Sherlock.

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/02499621/THE-GENERATION-OF-CHANGE-LIMITED/directors-shareholders

Sherlock became Nick Clegg’s special adviser in his private office and his wife, Kathryn Parminter, used to work as a parliamentary research assistant for Simon Hughes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_Parminter,_Baroness_Parminter

Nick Clegg has been accused of covering-up what he knew about Cyril Smith and his child-raping ways.

Zoompad said...

In 2012, for some unknown reason, Finkelstein wrote an article for the Times, entitled, ‘The dead can’t enter a plea of guilty’.

The article appeared to cast doubt on the abuse claims made against Cyril Smith and Jimmy Savile:

” Cyril Smith may have been a monster. But until we have reliable evidence we must not rush to judgment . Can I ask you a question? How do you know, really know, that Jimmy Savile is guilty of child abuse? The truth, let’s face it, is that you don’t. You are like me. You’ve perhaps heard one or two TV interviews with victims. You’ve read the odd article including some fairly damning quotes. You’ve gathered that there is a police investigation and that, as a result, a number of famous people have been arrested, although oddly always in connection with allegations that have nothing to do with Savile.
And, most of all, you’ve heard people say that he always looked a little fishy and that come to think of it it was a dead giveaway that he always waltzed around in one of those gold lamé tracksuits that paedos love to wear. And that hair. And “now then, now then”. He definitely did it.

Let’s take the case of the Liberal MP Cyril Smith…If Cyril Smith committed these crimes then he is a monster. But I am still attached to that vital word “if”. People in this country are innocent until proven guilty. We cling to that notion: it is a life raft, we have to cling to it.
Yes, the police think he is guilty and the police are worthy of respect. But the police always think the people they charge with offences are guilty; that is why they charge them. Policing proceeds by identifying a suspect and then building the strongest possible case against them. And the more time the police spend on the case, the more convinced they become….every innocent person needs to know they live in a society of due process and the rule of law. And that they can die in peace, without being taken to court in their coffin“.

http://monsterinthewardrobe.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/the-dead-cant-enter-plea-of-guilty-by.html

Zoompad said...

The following anonymous comments were left on a blog, detailing the case of Labour Peer, Greville Janner:

” After accusing Janner of paedophilic behaviour with a teenager, care worker, Frank Beck was arrested and charged with the sexual and physical abuse of children in his care over a thirteen-year period. At his trial Beck stated that: –

“One child has been buggered and abused for two solid years by Greville Janner“.

Immediately after this, Janner who just happens to be, ironically, a long time member of the boy scouts association, and Sir David Napley, his solicitor, went to Police headquarters in Leicester.

Whereupon, the following statement was issued: “We have advised Mr. Janner that he is prevented from making any statement at this stage”. Shortly afterwards, the Director of Public Prosecutions, Alan Green, let it be known that “for lack of evidence”, Janner would not be prosecuted, even though Paul Winston, who was just thirteen when he and Janner first met, was able to describe Janner‘s home, the hotel rooms they had shared, and Janner’s habits and person in detail.

The Director of Public Prosecutions, himself, was arrested for kerb-crawling in Kings Cross a little while later. Green had come to the attention of the police previously for this same misdemeanour and was quietly given a formal warning. The scandal prompted his resignation from public office and the suicide of his wife.”

Daniel Finkelstein must have been aware of the accusations against Janner but, for some unknown reason, posted the following tweet:

” Watching Greville Janner in 1970 election prog. Attractive, incisive, intelligent, moderate. How did he not end up one of Lab’s leaders?”

The two were also listed together in the JC as being highly influential in their respective fields:

http://www.thejc.com/jc-power-100/the-jc-power-100-numbers-11-20

Following the death of Jill Dando, a new research centre in her name was formed:

” The UCL Jill Dando Institute of Security and Crime Science is the first Institute in the world devoted to Crime Science. Research is concentrated on new ways to cut crime and increase security ” .

By a strange twist, the Board of the Institute is run by none other than Nick Ross and Professor Anthony Finkelstein.

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/jdi/people/tabbed-box/board

Anthony Finkelstein is Daniel Finkelstein’s brother.

How very, very strange indeed.

The clock is ticking on Britain’s dirty secrets.

It’s only a matter of time…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Finkelstein

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9034691/daniel-finkelstein-lord-of-journalism/

http://www.5jt.com/archive/2005_11.html

http://monsterinthewardrobe.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/the-dead-cant-enter-plea-of-guilty-by.html

http://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2013/09/14/the-queens-lieutenants-elm-guest-house-bbc-paedophiles-mark-speight-filthy-cyril-smith-and-the-dolphin-square-connection/

http://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2013/07/09/barry-george-jill-dando-jimmy-savile-bbc-paedophiles-cliff-richard-alan-farthing-nick-ross-and-britains-dirty-secrets/

http://www.fagburn.com/2012/10/sebastian-coe-wrestling-with-william.html

https://opencorporates.com/officers/41150715

http://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2014/02/26/margaret-thatcher-jimmy-savile-david-cameron-william-hague-monday-club-leon-brittan-elm-guest-house-and-the-vip-child/

http://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2014/03/22/greville-janner-tony-blair-madeline-mccann-margaret-hodge-and-the-vip-child-abuse-connection/

http://www.thejc.com/jc-power-100/the-jc-power-100-numbers-11-20

Anonymous said...

there is a lot to take in here today barbara
the next door neighbour to my mother was an old intelligence man and i would often get gis groceries for him, he told me lady isobel barnet wanted to set up a hot line where kids could ring and report abuse, she was fitted up and murderd to silence what she knew about the BBC and esther ranzen then started childline on exactly similar lines

Anonymous said...

I didnt know the name richard wiseman , funny i am always googling things i see on your blog.
Are people aware that young women and young lads are being trafficked into the UK for the sex trade ? This is run by the russian mafia and now we also have albanian and romanian mafias here too invited in by our non existent immigration laws, there are times when our politicians make me sick

Anonymous said...

Hello Barbara, we had the police knock on our door last week asking for my husband, i was a bit in shock but the police said you once madea complaint to the police about child abuse in an orphanage,
My husband said i made that complaint when i was aged 10 and again when i was 13, i am now 6 years old, the police asked him for names or descriptions of the abusive men, and this long after
much of it was lost, he said you did not listen when boys were making thes ecomplaints so why now ?
Apparently the police are trawling back and many of the perpetrators are now dead such as the fat man ( probably cyril smith ) the black footballer ( fashanu ) the jewish conjuror
(Grevile janner ) but so many others who would take boys out for the day will never now be caught, if only they had listened at the time.


Zoompad said...

Hi, Richard Wise is a different man to Richard Wiseman.

Richard Wise was a brave and kind man who spent the last years of his life trying to help little people, abused people, trodden on people.

Richard Wiseman was a stage magician.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0CDwQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRichard_Wiseman&ei=JjFSU5T0O8zy7Ab854CYBQ&usg=AFQjCNHPfCGalSMpmhOeQwtmiAEc10NK-Q&sig2=pM0azdJJaRLyWAF2sZ8zqg&bvm=bv.65058239,d.bGQ

Richard Wiseman gives me the creeps.

Zoompad said...

"Are people aware that young women and young lads are being trafficked into the UK for the sex trade ? This is run by the russian mafia"

I knew about the orphanage in Ukraine where Elton John tried to buy himself a little boy, where all the children up for sale have blond hair and white skin. I also knew George Osbourne and his friend Peter Mandalson have friends in the Russian Mafia. I also know that Putin was not very pleased about David Cameron sending Peter Tatchell and his Stonewall gangsters to Sochi to stir up trouble (using UK taxpayers money)

Zoompad said...

I had never heard of Lady Isobel Barnet, what a noble looking woman, thanks for posting that info.

Anonymous said...

Richard wiseman is a quack establishment psychologist, real psychologists take no notice of him, he s a BBC favourite
disgraced BBC psychologist who was found guilty of child cruelty susan blackmore is not heard anymore, she was another blatent quack

Anonymous said...

the comment about the police knocking on the door said he was now aged 6
i realsied he meant 60
did others notice this too ?

Zoompad said...

"the comment about the police knocking on the door said he was now aged 6
i realsied he meant 60
did others notice this too ? "

Yes, I did, but I also make lots of typos, its not really surprising given the massive stress and persecution by MIpaedp I have been under, so that person might be under the same sort of stress.

I did notice the typo but realised there was meant to be a 0 after the 6

Zoompad said...

I meant MIpaedo not MIpaedp, but that typo has made the point!

I dont mind a few typos, or bad grammer, its ok, I make them myself sometimes so I would be a hypocrite to grumble about other people doing likewise!

Anonymous said...

So sad to hear of a good man death looks like he was upsetting alot of not so good people.

This link will probably upset alot more.

http://www.sharonkilby.co.uk/site/WAR_ON_SHILLS.php

Zoompad said...

http://www.sharonkilby.co.uk/site/WAR_ON_SHILLS.php

I still think Hollie and Anne Greig are telling the truth. I don't think either of them are capable of inventing such a wicked lie. I do believe them.

As for Brian Gerrish, I thought he was a good kind man once upon a time, but all I can think now is how low can a man in his high position stoop to when he has to steal money off a child abuse victim who suffers mental health problems? He set himself up as a public benefactor of mankind and then did that to me, and it stinks! neither will I forget that day I got heckled at Stoke on Trent by all his supporters, when he sat on that stage next to thet putrid fat toad who works for MI5.

Zoompad said...

I used to think my MP Bill Cash was a good man as well. I don't think he is any more.

A good man would not have let them do what they did to me, and my family, and a good man would have raised Cain about them taking disabled children to Drake Hall prison for PE lessons

Zoompad said...

Paul Randle-Jolliffe tricked Heidi into getting onto the admin on Mothers for Justice, he pretended to help fix her computer, well he fixed it all right, fixed it so she had to go and buy another one, and he fixed that one as well, so in the end Heidi couldn't even access her own website because of Jollieffe and his pervert friends fixings, she was having to use the public library to access her own website.

Zoompad said...

We only found out they were perverts because I found out what they were accusing me of having in court was Parental Alienation Syndrome and that a paedophile called Richard Gardner had invented it, that and Threat Therapy. So I started telling all the other mums on the site about it, and I was so shocked that so many people started attacking me for doing so, I couldn't understand why they were turning on me for telling them something which would expose so many of their secret family court cases as resting on the evidence of an American paedophile, I thought they would all be so relieved and pleased, it was shocking and upsetting to be attacked.

I got very run down and ill while all this was going on, and wanted to give up, it went on for 2 years, me being attacked online for posting the truth about PAS and FMS, but I couldn't give up as I was fighting for my own son in the secret family courts, so how could I give up? I ended up in hospital with pneumonia, part of me wanted to just die but pneumonia is so horrible, it was just a horrible horrible time. I don't know where I got the strength to get through all that, apart from God, He gave me the strength because God loves all the children and hates child abuse.

Anyway, thats how I found out about Hemmings gangsters, because at first we all thought John Hemming was helping us, he was doing no such thing. I was disgusted when Brian Gerrish invited him to Stoke.

Zoompad said...

I don't think all the people on that blog post are trickers at all, I think some of them are people who have genuinly been abused. Hollie Greig is not a tricker, neither is Norman Scarth.

The trickers like to muddy the water and isolate and bully the victims of their crimes and they dont have a care about the grief they cause their victims, they are utterly ruthless and heartless.

You can't just demand victims of these crimes to lay down their lives and call them cowards and shrills when they wont, thats not fair at all. As a Christian I know what you're saying about self sacrifice, I really do, but the Lord also said not to cast pearls before swine. I certainly don't want to be a martyr, and I don't suppose Anne Greig and Norman Scarth want to be either, but we all want justice, we all want the abuse and persecution and terror to stop, we want MIpaedo to stop reabusing us and our families.

Personally I do not want anyone to go to hell, though I might say it sometimes in anger and terror. Hell is for ever and ever and ever, and to actually wish someone to be in torment for ever is a terrible thing, even if that person is utterly utterly ruthless, if I really think about it when I am feeling calm. I might say it sometimes in anger and terror. I make mistakes, I am human. I would never want to condemn an innocent person to everlasting damnation, if I had God's authorityand power that is what I would probably inadvertantly end up doing, if you dont understand what I am saying watch Star Chamber, a film with Michael Douglas.

The Lord is the one who is going to deliver justice, the Lord is the only one really fit to judge, as anyone can see from the UK, which is supposed to have the best justice system in the world, LOOK AT IT!

People like Harry Webb and his friends can change their names, change their nationalities, but they can never change what the Lord has written, neither can they hide from the Lord their God and Creator.

Zoompad said...

A hitman murdered Jill Dando, and they tried to pin the blame on a man who had a sort of harmless obsession with her and Princess Diana.

Zoompad said...

Justice can never be done in secret courts, anyone can see that, and yet we have secret courts all over the UK!

A country that prides itself on the integrety of its justice system would never want to have secret courts for any reason.

Zoompad said...


Liverpool gangster John Haase not trusted by police officer he first 'informed' to





Apr 26, 2012 07:05
By Liverpool Echo


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THE police officer to who Liverpool gangster John Haase first turned informant told a court he “wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him”.


THE police officer to who Liverpool gangster John Haase first turned informant told a court he “wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him”.

City crimelord Haase was arrested in 1992 less than 12 months after being released from a 14-year sentence for armed robbery, Kingston crown court was told yesterday.

He was arrested at his Clubmoor home by then-Det Sgt Kevin Clague, part of Merseyside police’s serious crime squad, after being found with a gun.

Yesterday in the trial of Paul Cook – who was later Haase’s Customs handler – Mr Clague, now retired from the force, said within hours Haase was talking about offering information in return for bail and a reduction in any possible sentence.

Mr Clague said when Haase was given bail by the court the next day, he began informing.

Within days Haase was ringing Mr Clague, the court heard, to tell him about a deal involving a black Austin Maestro in the car park of Oscar’s pub in Prescot Road, Fairfield.

When police searched the car, they found two sub-machine guns and a silencer but despite watching the area, no-one ever went near the car or was ever arrested.

Haase later told police where they could find the cash bags, clothes and gun from a Co-op robbery in Page Moss where a guard was shot and also about explosives hidden in the compost heap at the back of a Bootle house.

In return, the court heard, when Haase came to be sentenced in May 1993 over the gun he was caught with, the judge was given a letter outlining his co-operation.

Instead of being sent to jail, he was given a two-year suspended sentence.

Gibson Grenfell QC, prosecuting, asked Mr Clague: “At the time Haase was sentenced, did you have any doubts about the genuineness of the information he was supplying?”

Mr Clague replied: “I thought the information was solid and genuine.”

But when Mr Clague was asked to provide a reference for Haase following another arrest in 1999, the officer declined.

By that time, the court was told, there were rumours around Liverpool that Haase and his nephew Paul Bennett had planted caches of arms and drugs and then tipped off the police as if the hauls were meant for other criminals.

Their cooperation earned them a Royal Pardon and they served just one year of an 18-year sentence for drug trafficking.

Mr Clague said: “Looking at that [the rumours] and my dealings with him, the first one [at Oscar’s] mirrored the other information [the other seizures of guns] and I had second thoughts.”

Mr Clague was asked how he dealt with Haase at the time and what the “rules of engagement” were.

He said: “For the likes of John Haase I would make sure there was someone else there and because of the type of man he was and is, I always had someone further back at meetings because he was an extremely violent man.

“I would not trust him as far as I could throw him but the opportunity to have an individual of his calibre on board giving information was too good to miss.

“You can get close, a bit more personal, with certain individuals but never with John Haase.

“He is a bad man and a fighting man.”

Mr Clague said when Haase was arrested again in 1993 over the heroin, he was forced to give up handling him to Customs officer Cook, 60, because HMRC were in charge of the drugs bust.

He said someone of Haase’s stature should not be handled by a “novice”.

Cook denies charges of attempting to pervert the course of justice and misconduct in a public office.

It is alleged he knew Haase and Bennett were setting up the gun and drug finds and lied to the judge in a letter to get them reduced prison terms.

(Proceeding)

Zoompad said...

Was John Haase one of the child abuse victims?

Zoompad said...

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Liverpool gang links to Jill Dando murder





Apr 20, 2014 08:00
By John Siddle
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Police tapes suggest bullet that killed TV star was similar to ammo circulating on Merseyside


Holiday presenter Jill Dando. Ms Dando was murdered outside her Fulham home on Monday April 26 1999.

Mob links to the murder of Crimewatch host Jill Dando emerged in a covert police operation into Liverpool gangsters John Haase and Paul Bennett.

Intelligence gathered by Merseyside Police in 2004 outlined a potential underworld link to the TV presenter's unsolved killing.

Police transcripts reveal claims that the ammunition used to kill Ms Dando was similar to a haul circulating on Merseyside at the time of the murder. Some of that haul is said to have been supplied to Haase and Bennett.

Zoompad said...

This Saturday marks 15 years since Miss Dando, 37, was gunned down outside her home in Fulham, west London, moments after stepping out of her car.


John Haase

The Crimewatch presenter was shot in the head by a single bullet.

The ECHO understands that confidential documents held by Merseyside Police into the activities of notorious Liverpool crime barons Haase, 64, and Bennett, 50, include references to the killing.

An undercover officer who infiltrated the suspected supply chain of drugs and arms to the crooks – who are currently behind bars – recorded conversations between a Turkish drugs kingpin and a Liverpool dealer.

The first transcript, from July 2004, relates to a conversation between the undercover officer and the Merseyside dealer.

Asked about Miss Dando, he was recorded saying: “We all got questions on that. They wanted to know things like that. Even my bird said to me, 'Crimewatch - you know about that, don't you?'.

He said he told his partner not to “ask me too many questions because I won't tell you”.

Zoompad said...

He then told the undercover cop: “All I said to her was I knew there was a contract out on her. I think it's come from Scotland. That's all I said.”

In another conversation, the dealer told how a Scottish guns courier was found in possession of the same type of modified bullets used to kill Miss Dando.

Walter Kirkwood, then 46, of Renton, Dumbarton, was jailed for three years in 2001 for his role in the gun-running plot between Liverpool and Scotland. He was said to have been working on behalf of Haase.

Kirkwood’s haul included a Mach 10 machine pistol, a Smith and Wesson revolver and rounds of the same type of ammunition used to kill Miss Dando.


Paul Bennett

In an August 2004 transcript, the officer asks about the bullets.

The dealer replies: “Right, there was 300 and odd bullets. Walter got nicked with a Mach 10, a Magnum, high-velocity bullets, armour-piercing bullets and all them and these other bullets that were supposed to be the same bullets that killed Jill Dando."

The officer responds: “They weren't exactly the same bullets were they?"

The dealer then says: “They had a mark on the bottom or something like that. They were the same bullets. There were 1,000 of them came from Scotland.”

The officer replies: “All right, so some of those bullets [from] that same cache,” before the Turkish dealer interrupts: “Had found their way down to John Haase".

"And also some of that cache had found their way into the gun that killed Jill Dando?" asks the officer.

Barry George, 53, a loner and epileptic who suffers from mental illness, spent eight years in prison after being wrongly convicted of her murder.

The intelligence was passed on to Scotland Yard by Merseyside Police in 2004, it is understood.

There is no suggestion that Haase, Bennett or Kirkwood were involved in any way with Miss Dando’s death. But the revelations open the possibility that bullets which had ended up on Merseyside had been used to carry out the killing.

A Met spokesman last night said: “This case remains unsolved, as with all unsolved cases, any new information that comes to us would be thoroughly examined.”

Haase and his nephew Bennett became infamous when they were granted a Royal Pardon in 1996, less than 12 months after both being jailed for 18 years for their parts in an £18m heroin smuggling plot.

They were shown mercy after apparently passing on information that led police to find major caches of weapons and drugs hauls stashed on Merseyside and beyond.

But it was later discovered that it was a scam and Haase and Bennett had themselves orchestrated for the arms stashes to be planted.

In 2008, the pair were convicted of perverting the course of justice. Haase was sentenced to 22 years and Bennett to 20 years.

The transcripts were disclosed by Merseyside Police to lawyers representing convicted Liverpool drugs baron David Baker.

He was jailed in 2006 for his role in an international drugs cartel.

Baker, formerly of Inchcape Road, Broadgreen, is fighting to clear his name and claims he was “fitted up” by Haase.

Zoompad said...

I might sound like a broken record but I don't care.

My son and his classmates were taken from the special school for disabled youngsters that he attended to Drake Hall prison and given into the care of convicted prisoners, one of them being a woman convicted for drug smuggling, for PE lessons WITHOUT MINE AND OTHER PARENTS KNOWLEDGE AND CONSENT

What the hell has been going on? Lord Ramsbotham knows!

Zoompad said...

Our family has been targetted for "special treatment" by the military secret services, to cover up Pindown child abuse.

Zoompad said...

Mumby and his friends have just made it even easier than it already was for paedophile gangsters to steal poor people's children from birth.

JESUS PLEASE DO SOMETHING, PLEASE STOP THEM!

Anonymous said...

its not just you brits with pedo probs. we have big trouble in the USA with arse bandits too
read this

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/repulsive-case-queens-judge-article-1.1764071

Zoompad said...

“In 27 years on the bench, I have not seen a more repulsive case,” the judge said, his voice rising. “Justice is a poor replacement. . . . The lengthy prison sentence I propose will not restore the sweet innocence of the child.”

Dixon, 50, a former Queens court officer and assistant girls basketball coach at Manhattan’s Murry Bergtraum High School, was convicted in March on felony charges of sexually abusing two of his wife’s nieces, who were 10 and 14 at the time, and more than 480 counts of possession of child pornography.

Buchter was not swayed by defense attorney Richard Mischel’s argument that Dixon was well-regarded as a father, foster parent and court officer for more than 20 years.

In fact, the judge said he based his strong sentence on Dixon’s status as a law enforcement officer at Civil Court in Jamaica as well as the severity of the crimes.

“This defendant is the proverbial wolf in sheep’s clothing, both within his family and his community,” the judge said. “He cultivated his image of being kindly Uncle Kirby, providing gifts, taking them on trips, but this kindness did not motivate him. This conduct was carried out for a malicious purpose.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/repulsive-case-queens-judge-article-1.1764071#ixzz2zhCWSy2R

Thanks for posting the link, and thank God for honest judges

Anonymous said...

Tony Blairs government was known as the poofs party, because the finicial backers chose as many deviants as they could.
Chris Smith openly bragged about rent boys and would visit boys homes,Mo Mowlam and lare Short kept complaining about this so they were sidelined out of the limelight, Ron Davies threatened to tell about the iraq war being faked up, so he was sudenly exposed as a boy nobber who visited hanpstead heath as did chris smith.
david Blunkett was an odd one who took backhnaders from drugs comopanies in the form of stocks and shares and prostitutes, one bodyguards said it was a tragedy that blunkett could not see the women as some were the most extra- ordinary beautiful creatures.
All told the party was said to be rotten as hell with both lord irvine peter mandleson and Gay gordon, having boys delivered from Lambeth care home and nimrod house

Anonymous said...

If you speak to people who have been to samaritans for help after institutional abuse, some found them worse than useless.
They just dont say anything but listen quietly like stuffed dummies

Anonymous said...

A close freind lent me some tapes of the old moshe solomons radio shows, these have been removed from youtube and loaning from freinds is the only way to learn much of this stuff.
Moshe was a jew that converted to christianity and he often had jews on there who disagreed with the zionist mainstream.
The talk on there was from people who claimed to have proof that greville janner not only sexually abused boys but had people killed if they spoke out, this should be more widely known

Anonymous said...

Some years ago while working as an RAC patrolman, we got a call through thata motorist had broken down and needed help.
I saw on the A5 road a man i recognised as the government minister Alan Clark, he had an unusual car for which i had no on board spares so i said it would have to be towed in, he had consumed some alcohol but was steady on his feet, and reached into the back of his car and pulled outa breifcase which he took with him
But i later found a personal diary which had fallen out and i saw that he called himself a sexual adventurer and listed a whole list of liasons some of which were under age.
fora cabinet minister to behave like this shocked me and angered me thata man could use his power and high profile to take advantage in this way

Zoompad said...

Anonymous said...
Tony Blairs government was known as the poofs party, because the finicial backers chose as many deviants as they could.
Chris Smith openly bragged about rent boys and would visit boys homes,Mo Mowlam and lare Short kept complaining about this so they were sidelined out of the limelight, Ron Davies threatened to tell about the iraq war being faked up, so he was sudenly exposed as a boy nobber who visited hanpstead heath as did chris smith.
david Blunkett was an odd one who took backhnaders from drugs comopanies in the form of stocks and shares and prostitutes, one bodyguards said it was a tragedy that blunkett could not see the women as some were the most extra- ordinary beautiful creatures.
All told the party was said to be rotten as hell with both lord irvine peter mandleson and Gay gordon, having boys delivered from Lambeth care home and nimrod house

28 April 2014 05:25

Clare Short used to be my MP, I went to her a few times with school and poverty problems, but I didn't tell her at first that I was one of the Pindown child abuse victims because it was before the big police investigation, and I had no idea there was an investigation of Pindown in Staffordshire until it was too late. But I realise now that if I had contacted the police I would probably have been reabused anyway by the determined as hell cover uppers. I did contact Clare Short after I'd left Birmingham when our family was being targetted by the secret family court, I think she wanted to help, but probably didn't know how to.

Zoompad said...

I have noticed that everywhere Tatchell and his Gay Pride army go trouble and strife soon follows, and I do not think it is coincidental.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk-politics-25955930&ei=XeZhU83IKsOlO_zKgOAI&usg=AFQjCNHfJY243c50TWZ8uL8B9btgXC2aHw&sig2=WuMG5Rc6x-1My64C2Y9doA

Sochi 2014: UK cash for Russian gay rights campaignersBy David Bond

BBC sports editor

The UK government is to give extra funding for gay rights campaigners in Russia amid growing concerns over the introduction of legislation outlawing the promotion of homosexuality.

In an interview for the BBC, Culture Secretary Maria Miller said it was the "right thing to do".

Additional money will be given to protest groups such as Stonewall.

The move comes just a week before the start of the Winter Olympics in the Russian City of Sochi.

'Considerable strains'

The sporting showpiece has already been dogged by concerns over freedom of speech and security.

"It's very important indeed we use the opportunity of the Winter Games to underline the importance of treating people fairly, which is at the heart of the Olympic charter and important to the Olympic movement," said Mrs Miller.

Continue reading the main story

Start Quote
I think it's important that we state very clearly as a country we believe in freedom of speech and we believe in universal human rights”
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Maria Miller

Culture Secretary

"As a result of the changes in the laws in Russia, there are considerable strains on gay rights.

"We are already putting in place additional support to make sure that gay rights organisations have got the sort of support and expertise that I think can make a real difference with the work they are doing on the ground in Russia."

Because of restrictions imposed by Russian law, foreign governments cannot directly fund action groups and protesters on the ground in Russia.

Instead they must channel support through international non-governmental organisations known as NGOs.

Mrs Miller added: "The most effective way we can support human rights groups, particularly gay rights groups, is by working with organisations like Stonewall, to support them through funding so they can provide effective support and capacity building on the ground, so NGOs in Russia can be even more effective in the future."

Miller, who will be the UK government's most senior representative in Sochi, said she was anxious that the row over gay rights did not overshadow the Games or the preparations of the British Olympic and Paralympic teams.

She also dismissed concerns her announcement of extra support might be seen as provocative by the government of Russian president Vladimir Putin.

"I think it's important that we state very clearly as a country we believe in freedom of speech and we believe in universal human rights," said Mrs Miller.

"These are issue we don't shy away from. I think this is a great opportunity. This sort of support will be very welcome from Britain."

Activists in Russia such as Nikolai Bayev have welcomed the UK's move.

"The more countries like the United Kingdom provide us with such support, the better our fight against homophobia will be here in Russia," he said.

Protest zone

Mrs Miller said she hoped the International Olympic Committee would take a "common sense" approach to any athletes who used the spotlight of the Sochi Games to raise the issue of gay rights.

Zoompad said...

Earlier this week, IOC president Thomas Bach said there would be freedom for competitors to make political points in press conferences, although athletes who protest on the podium or in official Olympic venues might be punished.

The Russian government has already said it will set up a protest zone, albeit nearly 10 miles away from the main cluster of Olympic venues in Sochi, where people will be free to demonstrate.

Russia says the move is a sign that the country is committed to greater openness and is listening to the international outcry over human rights.

For her part, the culture secretary believes British athletes should be free to say what they like as long as they do not draw attention away from the sport.

"I absolutely believe in freedom of speech and ability of anybody to campaign on the issues which are important to them," she said.

"What I would want to make sure, in the context of the Winter Games, is that they don't overshadow the event.

"But these are things for the athletes themselves and the British Olympic Association. I'm sure they will look at the best way they can handle this."

Anonymous said...

I must share this story as its very relevant
My 13 year old niece it was found was not going to an evening youth club as claimed, and her mother was told she was sneaking round to see a single man in his late
30s
We tried to question her and she just clammed up and would not speak.
her mother followed her discreetly when she went out that evening, and she saw her knock on a door to which a man in his 30s let her in.
Her mom banged on the door and demanded to see her daughter, the man looked shocked but said come in, shes just about to eat with my daughters.
The mom saw several children all seated round the table where the man was dishing up some pasta.
The man said there is plenty here sit down and i will get you a plate.
The mom broke down and cried and said she thought the man was abusing her,
the man seemed shocked at this
and suggested she not let her daughter come again, the mom said
she was so sorry for what she thought.
At times with all the news coming out fom whistleblowers we expect the worst but it is not always so






Anonymous said...

after operation yew tree a police detective said the police team were all selected for their varied experience and sensitivity, he said all the police team were family members and wanted justice, but their hands were tied, they kept gettin g threats from the israeli emabssy to drop the investigations into Greville Janner Simon Cowell and Robin Gibb,
or it would cause a diplomatic incident, BTW in the conversation he said the name yewtree was because greville janner had a flat where he brught boys but would often use the christian graveyard which had two yew trees which were ideal cover for him to commit his homosexual acts on frightened young boys

Anonymous said...

In Nigeria we really do not get much boys interfered with, we just dont get the queers they you do here.
but the death penalty would mean all the littel chilun would be face now/
lattoya bandaloginskyevskinova

Anonymous said...


the truth about homosexuality

http://henrymakow.com/2014/02/how-america-went-gay.html

Anonymous said...

I had heard about snuff films and wondered if they really existed
so i went to a porn shop where my ex worked behind the counter.
I asked the manager who was there and he said sorry we dont do those, but a quiet word with my ex
and she passed over some vids which were kept for "special customers "
I sat down very curious witha couple of freinds and some beers,
but what we saw was a sickening parade of men having sex with two young boys tied and gagged,
i wont say how they fnished the boys off afterwards but it made us all sick and very angry
for those people who homosexuaity is OK
they should watch this gut wrenching film
it has played on our minds and we wish we were still ignorant about this stuff

Zoompad said...

I don't know if some of the anonymous comments left on here are all true, and I strongly suspect many of them aren't.

In any case, regarding the 13 year old niece, if its true its to the mothers credit that she thought the worst, seeing as to how her daughter had decieved her about going to youth club and ending up somewhere else instead and the 30 year old man ought to have picked up the phone and told the childs mother that he had their daughter at his house.

I dont believe all the anecdotes that anonymous people leave on my blog, but I'm posting them anyway, and if they aren't true as far as I'm concerned thats just more sick abuse I am having to deal with, cant do anything about sickos stalking me online but one day the Lord my God will put an end to the sickos being able to make a mug out of me and cruelly trying to wind me up.

Zoompad said...

Any good mother would want to know exactly where their 13 year old daughter or son is in this day and age, long gone are the carefree days of the children that Enid Blyton wrote about, and its so easy to pick up a phone so I would be extremly suspicious of anyone who had another persons child in without calling the parents to check if it was ok.

Anonymous said...

Barbara you have upset me, many of us see you as a freind, many who have been sexually abused look to you asa standard bearer for us all.
With my poos eyesight i wrote to you about the 13 year old girl who was visiting the man and you smaered it with doubting the story, i dont think i can struggle with writing to you again barabra i feel betrayed

Anonymous said...

I see Peter Tatchel is still on about doing away with the age of consent for boys to have sex, this dreadful pedophile claims sex with underage boys does them no harm
what planet is this pervert on ?

Anonymous said...

you were right about anngirfan
info given to them has been twisted to bring in natzis, they keep doing this
their latest is about pedos
all being natzis
and hitler beinga boy nobber this is despite all the info from those close to churchill that it was him
we should have listeened to you barbra

Anonymous said...

See why hitler brought in such strict child protection laws
and to this effect imprisoning practising homosexuals.
this is whats hapening here

http://www.darkmoon.me/2014/pornography-as-a-secret-weapon-by-lasha-darkmoon/

Anonymous said...

very interesting website about our kind a stuff barbara

http://www.seancopland.com/articles/free_charles_bronson_hmps_nelson_mandela.html

Zoompad said...

Barbara you have upset me, many of us see you as a freind, many who have been sexually abused look to you asa standard bearer for us all.
With my poos eyesight i wrote to you about the 13 year old girl who was visiting the man and you smaered it with doubting the story, i dont think i can struggle with writing to you again barabra i feel betrayed

I'm sorry if I'm wrong, its just that I have been tricked so many times, paedophiles take great delight in winding me up, they muddy the water by trying to feed me stories that aren't true. I'm just a woman who got abused as a child, not some sort of a guru, I only started writing this blog because I was being reabused by the corrupt lawyer/corrupt politician/corrupt police/paedophile/human trafficking gangsters who are stressing the living daylights out of so many people.

If I'm wrong to doubt you then I'm really sorry, as I'd never do anything to hurt anyone else on purpose, its just that the gangsters love to wind me up and I'm not God, so I can't tell who is good or bad, but God can though.

Zoompad said...



"See why hitler brought in such strict child protection laws
and to this effect imprisoning practising homosexuals"

Yes, but I'm still not going to make a hero out of Hitler, because he was a murderer and a cruel man and two wrongs don't make a right, there is only one worthy of worship and that is the Lord Jesus Christ

Zoompad said...

"I see Peter Tatchel is still on about doing away with the age of consent for boys to have sex, this dreadful pedophile claims sex with underage boys does them no harm
what planet is this pervert on ?"

He has Government protection, its really wierd how some people get protection from the very highest authorities, ie Abu Hamza, now its come out he was working for MI5, no wonder he couldn't be deported.

I would love to know what the selection process for MI5 is, as they seem to enrol all sorts of riff raff into that organisation.

Zoompad said...

MI5 are supposed to be all about protecting our country, not enabling paedophiles to plot how to enable them to legally rape our children

Anonymous said...

Dr John Oddy
Shelford Drive
Kings Lynn
Norfolk

Hello Barabra first thanks for the great blog and the love you give to other abused.
I am a scholar of W W ii, and in the interest of fair play here i have to say hitler brought in very tight child protection laws, and those homosexuals with records of abuse were put to work in prison camps, and know what ?
the abuse stopped, the records show almost no abuse complaints to the authorities overa long period, many say we should also adopt similar policies and having dealt with many abused children i am inclined to agree

Zoompad said...

Sorry to disagree with you John, but the abuse of children was going on in Hitlers death camps, and the Kinsey Institute which has a foothold all round the world now, in childrens education, has its very roots in the data obtained in those camps of hell

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CGcQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rense.com%2Fgeneral37%2Fmak_play.htm&ei=1dNxU9DGK6qw7Qa01oHgDQ&usg=AFQjCNEyUImWj6dpkD7RT88VGdRIfHDBHA&sig2=AIYGIsHk-9qnB4TKn7DVBQ

Anonymous said...

susan foster i have no time for any authoritarian system including hitlers, but Kinsey faked his reports himself it had nothing to do with german work camps, i can find no instance of child sex abuse on record, except possibly by other inmates
but this raises a larger question
and that is how can the ordinary joe public who is not an expert not be hoodwinked by propagands

Zoompad said...

Your name isn't Susan Foster, do you think I am a dimwit to fall for that crap?

Kinsey did indeed get his pet paedos to rape children, and some of those rapes were performed in concentration camps.

Zoompad said...

And Liam Nillson and his Hollywood pals can make as many propaganda films as they like, nothing is going to get in the way of the truth being known to all, despite Hollywood trying to cover it all up.