I'm only posting this so that people wont worry.
It gets too much for me, and I have to just do nice things, the horrible stuff is affecting me too much.
I'm not a leader, I'm just a re-abused victim of Pindown child abuse, and I'm sorry if anyone thinks I am pathetic for being frail, but I just can't help it.
I just discovered Boywiki and reading the posts on it makes me feel sick and angry. They are making themselves out to be victims on that site, here are some of the postings on that site. How the heck are they getting away with this, its just so awful.
I really cant do this any more, I am so exhausted.
I posted about this on The Needle website, since I posted (anout 25 minuites ago) someone has done something barring me access to the threads.
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It hurts doesn't it?
Posted by Sir Sympathy on 2013-September-19 03:16:43, Thursday
In reply to Beautiful Young Boys posted by Amedeo on 2013-September-18 20:36:01, Wednesday
Nobody will ever quite understand the pain that we feel... seeing and longing for something we love but cannot have... and if we reach for it... we are accused of being sadistic monsters who only want to hurt kids. It will not last forever. Things will change.
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Posted by Warrior Star on 2013-September-19 02:31:50, Thursday
Some members here play a sick neurotic game of complaining about the arrests for KP and other persecutions our community suffers, but they refuse to lift a finger to do anything about it.
If you have a problem, the healthy response is to take action to solve it. we have the most serious problem any human beings have ever had to face.
Instead attacking their enemies, they attack people here trying to solve the problem.
One of the reasons is that many of them are not outed and think that if they live like mice, they will not be outed and they will survive. That is like playing a game of Russian roulette.
If you want to live like a mouse, get a set of nuclear dentures.
If you have a problem, not taking action to solve it is dysfunctional. No matter how loud and nasty they shout, never take advice from a fool.
There are many many things we can do to improve our situation and that of our societies. They are safe, legal, anonymous. Outcast groups have devised ways to not just survive but prosper for thousands of years.
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Shrinks surgically planting a bombs in patients
Posted by Hierophant3 on 2013-September-19 00:53:22, Thursday
What shrinks do to those caught with child porn or caught engaging in pleasurable activities with a child is like surgically planting a bomb in their patients. Shrinks know how to misuse their healing art to inflict pain and they do just that.
What shrinks do to children who where caught engaging in pleasurable activities with an adult is almost as bad as surgically planting a bomb in their patients.
Then again shrinks have a long history of abuse. Shrinks have abused gays and lesbians. Shrinks abuse kids who suffer from school is boring syndrome by prescribing them dangerous stimulants. Shrinks have zapped people into vegetables and physically scrambled their patients brains.
The shrink industry hasn't paid out much money in damages for all the misery it has inflicted on its patients. Maybe it is about time they started.
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A Day with the Little Guy
Posted by Bradford on 2013-September-17 21:14:00, Tuesday
I recently had a really nice day with the little guy that I wanted to share. I like to share these moments here from time to time because I can do so without much refrain from my true feelings that I sometimes have to keep private for one reason or another. That's life as I know it so it's nice to have this little digital outlet where I can do so freely, for the most part.
The little guy's parents wanted to spend the day in the city, so being the "honorable uncle" they asked me to look after him while they were gone, a task that I seldom object to. Time spent with the little guy is time not worrying about everything else going on in life and in work. It's a time when I can be a kid again and do things that I can only do while in the company of a little guy. It allows me to be around other little guys, and it's a time that evokes nostalgia and brings a non-stop grin to my face.
Like my relationship with his father, my relationship with the little guy involves very little gabbing and a lot of doing. So I packed his little battery powered truck in my vehicle and we were off.
Some of you may recall the last time I posted here when I wrote about a bad tumble I took playing a sport in the rain. It was incredibly painful. I ended up in the emergency room and underwent several physical therapy sessions to help regain my strength. I'm happy to report that I'm healing well, however I'm still not 100% but I'm close. I felt a little sad when he'd run up to me with his arms up in the air demanding to be flown around like an airplane, something that I always did at least once when I visited before my injuries. The first few times I'd have to explain to him that it would be a few weeks before we could fly together so I thought I'd make it up to him another way. He'd never seen an airplane up close and personal before, so we drove to the local municipal airport where I let him run free and touch all of the airplanes. He yelled "WOAH! COOL," when he saw the first of the Pipers and Cessna's near the entrance gate. He was in heaven. I found a small step stool that he could climb up so that he could look into the cockpits, and he kept saying, "Let's fly this one. Let's fly this one. No no, let's fly that one."
"Maybe one day soon buddy," I told him. There's an idea. It's not a very large airport so we only had the privilege of seeing one plane land while we were there. He probably would've ran right into the taxiway if I didn't hold him back. After the plane parked on the grass the little guy ran up to the pilot and asked if he could take us up. I didn't say anything because I wanted to do the same thing! The pilot smiled at me and told him, "Sorry buddy but I have to get home for dinner. Maybe another day." We were both disappointed but I said, "That's OK, we were just going to the farm to check out the animals, weren't we?" The little guy looked up at me with a huge smile on his face, then looked at the pilot and said "thanks anyway," and ran to my vehicle.
When we pulled up to the farm, the first things that caught his eye were the tractors. There was a Catapillar, a Kabuter, and a Case that he fell in love with. He was more fascinated by the heavy machinery than he was the ducks, pigs, mules, goats and sheep. We had a good laugh at the pigs though because... they were pigs. We fed them apples, corn, and the little guy threw in a pretzel while I wasn't looking. The pigs happily devoured everything. I vividly remember going to this farm when I was his age. I wondered if some of the animals were the same animals, and if they remembered me; if they knew how different I am now, and how I'm still the same.
When we exhausted that farm I asked him if he wanted to go to the orchard to pick apples and pumpkins. "YEAH! Let's GO!" Long story short, his parents now have two bundles of apples and 3 different sized pumpkins to eat/decorate.
"What now," he asked me. This boy is non stop. The only time he's not moving is when he's in front of a television or asleep. Absolutely non stop, it's amazing the energy he has. "Well, how about we go to the park?"
10 minutes later we were at the park that my dad used to take me when I was the little guy's age. I did with him what my dad used to do with me. We'd race to the swings and I let him win. Once we got to the swings, I'd say nearly the same thing that I remember my dad saying to me, "Uncle Bradford's going to the glue factory!" I never understood what that meant then, as I'm sure the little guy has no idea either. He'll get it one day. While we were there the ice cream truck came and per his request I bought him a vanilla cone with chocolate sprinkles. We both shared that and a choco-taco, something I used to love when I was his age. A funny thought entered my mind while talking to the ice cream truck guy - I wondered if he was a Boychat visitor! It wouldn't be that far-fetched.
Both of us were still hungry so we went to "Timmy's" Pizza Shop on our way home. We had a few laughs over a few slices during our attempts at impressions of Nickelodeon characters.
On the way back to his house we drove past my old elementary school. The sun was still a few hours from setting and nobody was there so I decided to pull in. I haven't been to that elementary school since I was in elementary school, and MY GOD was it nostalgic. The same swings were there, the same see-saws were there, the same slides, the kickball field, the basketball hoop by the gym, almost everything was exactly as I remembered, only a lot smaller.
Even with my injury I was able to climb the slide. This was a serious slide. They don't make them like this anymore - all metal, maybe 20 feet high and none of that soft plushy stuff around it. If you fell, you were gonna get hurt. The little guy loved it. So did I.
I had to peek into my old K - 3 windows. It was a bittersweet feeling. Part of me felt accomplished over my achievements since then, part of me felt sad. I'm not sure why. Maybe it was because I miss the simplicity and innocence of the "good old days"? Maybe it was because of the memories evoked of friends who I've since lost touch with or who have since passed on? Maybe it was a little bit of everything. I don't know. I remembered the time my friends and I got into snowball fights by an old creek bridge. I remembered my first crush, twin boys who were in second grade while I was in third. I never said anything to anyone about that. I didn't even know what I was feeling, really. I remembered the first time I kissed a girl by the cafeteria entrance after the lunch monitor blew the whistle. She was my first girlfriend. Despite my deep feelings for most boys I've come to know, and attraction to older pre-teen boys, I've always dated girls. I think part of my sadness stems from this too, but it wasn't a deep-seeded sadness I felt, if that makes sense. Anyway it faded as soon as I saw the little guy driving around on his battery powered truck. It was too cute, too funny. We left after his battery died.
Once we got home, exhausted, both of us plopped down on the couch in front of the television and eventually fell asleep. It was a long, fun day of running around and doing things. I didn't even give him a tubby or tuck him in. When his parents walked in they saw "the boys" asleep, the little ones head resting under my chin. I'll never forget that day.
• Nice. Thanks for sharing. nt - Shrink Wrap 2013-September-18 05:44:24, Wednesday (0)
• Re: A Day with the Little Guy - Hieronymouse 2013-September-17 23:45:04, Tuesday (0)
The Karate Kid (2010) surprisingly good
Posted by kabouter on 2013-September-17 21:51:29, Tuesday
OK I know there has been a lot of chat about Jaden Smith on here some of it negative but I thought his performance in this film was very good and that the film as a whole was entertaining and worth the 2.5 hours.
I think him a very toothsome boy. I have heard him called arrogant but that is just a simile for confident, this boy does act in a confident way. Thanks to his dad no doubt. I think acting comes easy to Will as well.
Jaden is graceful and attractive in the role and I thought he captured the emotion well. Jackie Chan is a hell of an act to shadow and this kid pulls it off. Well they both do.
I loved this movie. I recently watched "After Earth" and wasn't convinced although again I thought Jaden was OK. That's why I went after this movie.
I am kinda grateful that he is able to show of his athleticism and hot little bod in TKK. I hear that he "plays too much for the camera". Well thanks ghods for that I say. Lucky camera. Lucky us.
• Re: The Karate Kid (2010) surprisingly good - Sir Sympathy 2013-September-18 01:08:24, Wednesday (0)
• Re: The Karate Kid (2010) surprisingly good - wonder boy 2013-September-18 00:55:48, Wednesday (0)
• I liked it as well. - CottonCandyHandGrenade 2013-September-17 23:41:27, Tuesday (1)
o you got that right! - kabouter 2013-September-18 09:01:36, Wednesday (0)
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Dr. Brongersma, in his classic study, Loving Boys Vol. 2, describes some examples:
Kentler, the German pedagogue, "took part in an experiment in Berlin, tolerated by the socialist alderman Mrs. Reichelt, to entrust run-away boys to boy-lovers. Everyone involved considered it a success but it had to be stopped because of fears of a very stormy public reaction if news of it leaked out." (Schult 1982, 10)
Geiser, an American psychologist, believed this procedure could be
especially effective with neglected boys growing up without paternal love (1979,84). The Danish police chief Jersild made the same recommendation (Moody 1981, 152).
And the Amsterdam judge Cnoop Koopmans stated in a speech given in May 1982 that he had several times put slightly delinquent boys under the care of an honest boy-lover, and in some cases the results had been spectacular: shop-lifting had stopped, the boys' grades in school had risen, they had taken an interest in sports and reading (Nationale Raad
1982,57). The loving man has the capacity to discover the good traits in a child-and also the. . .
It's on p. 312 of the hard copy of the book, or page 158 of the pdf version on the ipce website linked below.
Well actually yes
Posted by andrew_bl on 2013-September-13 09:34:37, Friday
In reply to Relationship ever cured a disease or problem? posted by Warrior Star on 2013-September-13 07:00:11, Friday
Highly respected Austrian psychiatrist Dr. Otto Krappenberger recently surveyed several thousand boys from Vienna who had sexual relations with older men. The study was known as the Strudel Doodle Noodle research.
It was found quite conclusively that 96.3% of the boys had instantly recovered from all previous physical and psychological conditions. The other 3.7% admitted they were still addicted to their Play Station and/or computer games.
In light of this ground-breaking research, the Austrian Government now plans to replace pediatricians with pedophiles. Applicants from BC are encouraged to contact Dr. Krappenberger and will receive generous funding, accommodation, an endless supply of 11 year old boys named Tobias and dare I say Florian plus unlimited meals of Wienner Schnitzel and Apple Strudel.
I hope this answers your question.
• sign me up - Sir Sympathy 2013-September-13 14:26:09, Friday (0)
• which diseases exactly were cured? - Warrior Star 2013-September-13 10:33:23, Friday (3)
o andrew can't even play his own game - Warrior Star 2013-September-14 10:19:43, Saturday (2)
Re: andrew can't even play his own game - Sir Sympathy 2013-September-15 01:31:49, Sunday (1)
Re: andrew can't even play his own game - Warrior Star 2013-September-17 01:08:02, Tuesday (0)
High profile alleged child sex offender cleared
Posted by Eldad on 2013-September-10 19:22:47, Tuesday
An actor in a popular UK soap opera was today cleared by a jury of child sex allegations. It's good to see that sometimes the witch hunters are not successful.
• (http site) Coronation Street's Le Vell cleared of child rape
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• Re: High profile alleged child sex offender cleared - Fry 2013-September-10 20:23:36, Tuesday (0)
Re: High profile alleged child sex offender cleared
Posted by Fry on 2013-September-10 20:23:36, Tuesday
In reply to High profile alleged child sex offender cleared posted by Eldad on 2013-September-10 19:22:47, Tuesday
It's hard to imagine the trauma and suffering that someone, especially a public figure, who is falsely accused of child sexual abuse must go through. What consequences will the girl face for defamation and making false accusations? Being a minor and non-celebrity, she obviously won't have to face the very public humiliation and scrutiny that he had to put up with.
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